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Tyrone / Tracey family of Drumshambo near Cookstown Co. Tyrone
« on: Thursday 10 April 14 14:30 BST (UK)  »
I am aware that my great-grandfather, John Francis Tracey, who grew up on a farm in Drumshambo (a small village in Tyrone), left Ireland for work in northern England (Consett, Durham) in the 1880s where he found work in the steel industry.

What I don't know much about is who came before. I only know that John's parents were Francis and Rose Anne (nee McGurk). Francis (probably Frank) died before 1901 and Rose died in 1922. Are there any records anywhere of their relatives?

A distant cousin has told me that there is a graveyard in the area with the remains of a John Tracey (aged 101). Note: there are many men with the name John Francis or Francis John in this branch of my family tree. Another popular name was Joseph. No need to look for anyone named William. This side of my family are all Catholics.

Thanks for your help.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Tuesday 08 April 14 13:53 BST (UK)  »
Agree about Annie Emma.
Joseph and Sarah or Joseph and Mary? I tend to believe Joseph and Mary.
Btw: I know the Simpkins name from the family bible. This is indeed wife number three.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Tuesday 08 April 14 13:35 BST (UK)  »
Re: Richard Sr. He remarried in Oct. 1871. 2nd wife, who also died of "consumption" (Mom told me this years ago) was Emily Pearson.

Emily Pearson
Birth Place:   London, England
Age:   31
Estimated birth year:   abt 1840
Father Name:   Joseph Pearson
Mother Name:   Mary Pearson
Spouse Name:   Richard Smith
Spouse's Age:   36
Spouse Birth Year:   abt 1835
Spouse Birth Place:   London, England
Spouse Father Name:   Joseph Smith
Spouse Mother Name:   Mary Smith
Marriage Date:   2 Oct 1871
Marriage County or District:   York

Note: His third wife was Elizabeth (nee Wade) Simpkins whom he married 6 April 1874. She already two boys. She gave birth to Richard Frederick Smith (another Richard) in 1886.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Tuesday 08 April 14 13:29 BST (UK)  »
I am having trouble sending the following as an attachment (if you can't read this, I will try later to sort this out), but I just noticed something really interesting. The maiden name of her mother is first crossed out, then it looks like the name, "Annie Emma" is written. Since you two are more perceptive than me, what do you think it is? Could this just be a derivation of "Anne Elizabeth"?

http://interactive.ancestry.ca/8946/ONMS935_408-0247/733540?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dontario_deaths%26h%3d733540%26ti%3d5543%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t27033822_p12229314649_kpidz0q3d12229314649z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t27033822_p12229314649_kpidz0q3d12229314649z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Tuesday 08 April 14 12:39 BST (UK)  »
Yes, you are right. Here are the details from her marriage license:

Groom Name:   William Ibbotson
Birth Place:   Toronto, Ontario
Age:   20
Estimated birth year:   abt 1866
Father Name:   George Ibbotson
Mother Name:   Julia Ibbotson
Spouse Name:   Annie Smyth
Spouse's Age:   19
Spouse Birth Year:   abt 1867
Spouse Birth Place:   England
Spouse Father Name:   Richard Smyth
Spouse Mother Name:   Annie Smyth
Marriage Date:   23 Mar 1886
Marriage County or District:   York

Note: Because I am a stickler for correct spelling, errors such as "Smyth" for "Smith" drive me nuts, but I know this is the correct person.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Tuesday 08 April 14 12:12 BST (UK)  »
Although I have viewed this ship's record many times, I never previously noticed that my family was a beneficiary of any group or organization. This is fascinating! Thank you for pointing this out ShaunJ and Rosie.

Re: Anne Elizabeth marriage - I did know about this. Even before doing an online search, our family bible included some obits of the Ibbotson family. Furthermore, I have actually been in touch with someone who is descended from her who is about my age. I was even given information about her place of burial (St. John Norway in Toronto; my grandfather's burial site is in Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Toronto).

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Monday 07 April 14 20:19 BST (UK)  »
Oh, now I get it. You mean she probably worked as a day-servant. Yes, probably.

I have not found Richard in an 1871 census despite my efforts.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Monday 07 April 14 19:34 BST (UK)  »
Yes, it is. It's funny, but I couldn't figure out the "Hannah" person before, but clearly, this is a nickname for Anne Elizabeth Smith who later became Anne Elizabeth (aka: Annie) Ibbotson. I couldn't figure out why they called her a "servant", but maybe it was for modesty sake since she was a single female (considered an adult at that time) living with two males.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Richard Smith Cordwainer in British Navy
« on: Monday 07 April 14 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Just found a potential clue. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts:

A Henry Robert Smith, son of Richard and Elizabeth, was baptised in August 1868 in St. Luke's Marylebone. However, his father is listed as a "porter", so it may not be related to my search.


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