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Quote from: AntonyMMM on Thursday 31 May 18 12:02 BST (UK)

Quote from: george1997 on Thursday 31 May 18 11:39 BST (UK)

My Aunt and Uncle had a copy of his birth certificate I believe, I'm not sure if it was the full birth certificate, but I saw it a few weeks ago and if I remember correctly it just said mother: "Sybil Williams (formerly ambrose)".

You need to have another look, or order a copy yourself - the index has the name BROOMFIELD  as being on the entry somewhere.

If the couple are married ( and the informant column is what tells you that), then another option, if the mother is just shown as "WILLIAMS formerly AMBROSE"  is that the father has two surnames shown so he could be "WILLIAMS otherwise BROOMFIELD" , but the only way of knowing is to look carefully at the certificate.

Sorry, yes I believe I actually got those details from the adoption records. The birth certificate we have Is not the complete one, It literally says the date of birth on it and the name and that is all. I am going to order a copy of the birth certificate now.

I am quite new to this, how did you see that another name had been indexed in, all i can see is Ambrose (Vol-2b, Page-1045), Thanks for your help.

Just an update in case any of you are interested.

I have received the birth certificate of Robert George (My Grandfather). I will list the details on the birth certificate:

Name, if any: Robert George
Name and surname of father: George Alfred Broomfield,
Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Sybil Barbera Williams, formerly Ambrose, of Hanover House St. Peters Road. Bournemouth.U.D.
Occupation of father: Cook of London Hotel. Bournemouth.U.D.
Signature, description and residence of informant: G. A. Broomfield, Father, London Hotel, Bournemouth. Sybil Williams, Mother, Hanover House, St.Peter's Road, Bournemouth.

It seems, as you suggested that the father was Broomfield and Sybil was married to Williams at the time. I am not sure if George Worked at that hotel, as it seems a bit strange for them to both be living in hotels, it could be that they owned/worked in them, but it seems more likely that it was just because it was a cover-up.

It also says:" "adopted" Perey Clifford superintendent registrar" on the right hand side of the cert, I think I read the "Perey Clifford" wrong, but it isn't very clear, I am assuming this is the person/company who dealt with the adoption. One thing I am unsure of is all the documents I have say he was adopted at 10 months old, But I am assuming that he was adopted and then re-adopted.

Quote from: george1997 on Thursday 31 May 18 11:39 BST (UK)

My Aunt and Uncle had a copy of his birth certificate I believe, I'm not sure if it was the full birth certificate, but I saw it a few weeks ago and if I remember correctly it just said mother: "Sybil Williams (formerly ambrose)".

You need to have another look, or order a copy yourself - the index has the name BROOMFIELD  as being on the entry somewhere.

If the couple are married ( and the informant column is what tells you that), then another option, if the mother is just shown as "WILLIAMS formerly AMBROSE"  is that the father has two surnames shown so he could be "WILLIAMS otherwise BROOMFIELD" , but the only way of knowing is to look carefully at the certificate.

Sorry, yes I believe I actually got those details from the adoption records. The birth certificate we have Is not the complete one, It literally says the date of birth on it and the name and that is all. I am going to order a copy of the birth certificate now.

I am quite new to this, how did you see that another name had been indexed in, all i can see is Ambrose (Vol-2b, Page-1045), Thanks for your help.

I can't seem to find that record on ancestry, can you send a link please?

Hi,
I have been researching my family history for about a month now. My grandfather (Robert G Williams) is the biological son of "Sybil Ambrose", born in Bournemouth, 1928.

My Grandad was adopted at 10 months old I believe and we only found this out after his death in 2016, so had only known his adopted name, and always hit brick walls upon trying to expand the family tree.

About a month ago, my sister did a DNA test with ancestry. It came back and suggested that one of our matches was a second cousin. Most of our 'recent' family history is known to us, except on my grandfather's side, so we began the search. We have found that there was another child "Ninette Williams" Born to mother Ambrose in 1922 (Southampton) and this seems to be where the DNA connection comes in. (Also, upon doing a blind search for Williams children with mother Ambrose I have found two other children, Roderick A Williams born in 1917 Southampton, and Leo J Williams Born in 1921 Christchurch). These second two children could be completely irrelevant, but they were born in close proximity so they could be connected.

As I said, We are quite confident that Ninette is my Grandfather's sister due to the DNA connection. The problem comes in when looking for the father. I have tried looking for marriage records between Sybil Ambrose and a Williams and had no luck. It does get a little more complicated, we have attempted to find Sybil Ambrose's birth and found a 1901 Sussex and 1911 Hampshire census. In the 1901 Census, Sybil is living with a Lipscombe Family, noted as "Sybil Huntly the niece of a Joseph Lipscombe", then in 1911 living with the Now Widowed Margaret Lipscombe, she is noted as "Sybil Ambrose Grandchild of Margaret Lipscombe" Alongside her Brother "Cyril Ambrose". Ambrose, it seems, is the name she took forward from this point, until she took the name Williams (which, I think, was the name she died with, in Bournemouth 1933).

The whole name situation is getting a bit confusing, We found that Sybil's Father was called "George Ansell" and we believe the mother to be "Ethel Lipscombe" who was also in the household in 1901. We are quite confident that this is correct as we have a DNA connection with the Ansell family, and we have been told that George Ansell was an alcoholic who left his family, I am assuming that the name lack of "Ansell" in the name is due to the fact that He was already married, It would also explain the change from niece to granddaughter on the census.

Now, going back to the point. I still cannot find a marriage between a Williams and a Ambrose, An Ansell, Lipscombe or a Huntly, all being names that Sybil has taken over the years. One obvious explanation is that they were not married, but I still cannot find any connection at all between a Sybil and Williams. Perhaps Williams was not even the name of the father, but at this point, I am completely lost.

I have attempted to find connections between all of the children and their father but have found no leads. I know it is rather complicated, but I would appreciate greatly If anyone could think of other places to look.