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The Common Room / Coincidences
« on: Monday 13 August 18 11:53 BST (UK)  »
I have found two women whose parents have the same names who appear to have been born on the same day who married men of the same name on the same day 80 off miles apart.
Two Sarah Hornblows who both had parents named John & Elizabeth appear to have been born around the same time, married men called George Moore on the same day one in Piccadily Westminster the other in Colchester .
My interest is in Sarah Hornblow  daughter of Rev. John Hornblow and his wife Elizabeth Young. He was born in Essex sent to London as an apprentice. Once he became a master looking glass frame maker he stayed in london for 19 years in Cripplegate area where he became a baptist. In 1775 he married into a baptist family, the Youngs a dissident family of cabinet makers, before becoming ordained as a Particular baptist and being sent back to Essex, Braintree in 1779.
The other family were in Piccadilly Westminster where John Hornblow was a coal dealer who in 1780 married to Elizabeth Archer .
Both couples had daughters they called Sarah born,  it seems in the same year , who subsequently married George Moore. One in St Martins in Field London the other in Colchester in Essex on 17 June 1810.
To add to this when Elizabeth Young Hornblow died  she was living in Kentish town but she was buried in the St James Piccadilly where the Hornblow+ Archers family had their children baptised.

Does anyone else think  that they must have know each other??

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Hornblow
« on: Sunday 12 August 18 13:23 BST (UK)  »
In case anyone is interested I have now confirmed the presence of 2 John Hornblow in London around the same time both with wives Elizabeth. The explanation goes thus.
Rev John Hornblow and his wife Elizabeth Young nominated as family 1 because i have done extensive research into his family.
 The other John Hornblow and Elizabeth Archer I have not researched beyond him nominated  Family 2.
When I began researching  10 or 12 years ago I made an enquiry to Braintree Baptist Church and received from them Rev John Hornblow's  obituary and a 1906 article about him.

John Hornblow and Elizabeth Archer  were married in 1780  in Westminster and lived in Piccadilly parish where he was a Coal Dealer.
He paid rates in Westminster  between 1780 & 1815.  This is all verifiable on FindMyPast in this case for Westminster from 1780 onwards until 1815  .
He was a coal dealer in Piccadilly area of London there are dozens of records of his payments and the children attached to this couple were all born in Westminster Piccadilly area.
Westminster Rate Books 
1780 1786 Rent £13 Rates 13 & 6/6
Coal Dealer  John Hornblow Occupier 3 May 1783 Address Noel Street North
Place St James Piccadilly Parish St James, Piccadilly
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Children
Rhoda Hornblow  Bb 17 Aug 1783 in Westminster, London,
Ann Hornblow 2 Dec 1786 in Westminster, London, 
Elizabeth 12 May 1790 in Westminster,
Thomas Charles Hornblow 16 Jun 1792 in Westminster, 
William Hornblow 17 Mar 1794 in Westminster, 
John Hornblow 16 Jun 1792 in Westminster, 

The Reverend John Hornblow Baptist Minister of Braintree Family 1  left London in 1779 for Braintree.
His Mother Mary Mee was  buried St Andrew Anglican Church Halstead 19 Nov 1789 National Burial Index For England & Wales
Jeronimo  buried St Andrew Halstead 28 Jan 1797 St Andrew Anglican Church Halstead

His obit stated (Rev)John Hornblow born 1744  came from Halstead & in 1760  was apprenticed in London.  In 2017 I found in FindMyPast a 1760 apprentice record showing he was from Halstead , near Braintree son of Jeramiah ( Jeronimo) Hornblow of Halstead , a malster .
The entry in the Haberdashers  Court records show that in 1760 John Hornblow was apprenticed to John Rushton of Redcross Square Jewen Street –which is off Aldersgate Street.
He would have been about 15 or 16 years old . John completed his apprenticeship and   1769 . He began taking apprentices in 1772.
The 1775 marriage entry for John Hornblow & Elizabeth Young shows he live in St Alphage parish which is close to St Giles Cripplegate where their first child was born and died of convulsions in 1776. Lived in Cripplegate area by London Wall.
They could not be married in a Baptist church so they chose St Georges in Botolph Lane  within the city wall  in Botolph Lane  close to Pudding Lane which is close to Goodmans Fields where the Young family lived in Mansell Street . They were cabinet  makers, furniture makers.
The Young Family were also non conformists as shown by the the registration of their children rather than baptisms. The entry for the family of John More and his wife Rachel Ridley, made in 1756 , shows Rachel born 1749, son Ridley born 1751 then Elizabeth born 1753 and twins Mary & John born 1756.
Their 1st child John was buried in St Giles Cripplegate -  Maidenhead Court in the close to AlderSgate Street. He later moved his workshop to Phillips lane near St Alphage  1778 John still working as a looking Glass Frame Maker .
Other children must have been born  and died young between 1777-1782 - a 5 year period, for they were commented upon by Dr Perrott in Braintree in 1779 who remarked on the size of Johns family and the smallness of his purse.
 1779 John’s was ordained on 15th July 1779 and  given the Braintree ministry moved to Braintree, Essex

 1. 1776 John Hornblow died of convulsions as an infant buried at St Giles without Criplegate London
 2 1777 Rachel born in London?? Died age 22 unmarried in 1799 buried Bocking
 3. 1782 John born & apprentice 1797 age 15 apprenticed to William Spencer 6 Apr 1797, Grocers' Company
 4 1783 Anne born baptised 1804 age 21 Married 1804 in Bocking to Stephen Brown. FindMyPast- Boyd's
 5 1784 Jeremiah ?
 6 1785 Mary born . She died and was buried 19 Nov 1789 in Bocking FindMyPast
 7 1789  Sarah born Feb. Married 4 times and in 1820 & one of the Settlers in the Eastern Cape of South Africa with her 2nd 'husband' John Cadle. She died SA 1853- Died age 54 1843
 8 1790 William baptised age 12 in 1802 at St. Michael the Archangel Braintree. William died 1798 buried Braintree
 9. 1791 Jeronimo born -died age 4 on 22 Feb 1795. Burial 26 Feb 1795 buried at the Protestant Dessenters burial ground at Bocking
 10. 1794 Lydia married to 7 March 1814 to Edward Hayward of Saffron Walden,FindMyPast & Boyds
 11. 1795  Hannah baptised age 21 in 1816 shortly before her marriage Married to Lloyd Henry Standish on 23 Aug 1816 St Lukes Old Street Finsbury FindMyPast England Parish records 1538-1973 Parish records

There is an Ebenezer son of John Hornblow deceased apprenticed by patrimony to Ebenezer Hornblow silversmith in Southwark in 1820. However if boys were apprenticed at 12 to 15 then he would have been born about 1805 which makes him an unlikely son of Rev John for, although his wife Elizabeth Young was 10 years her husbands junior,  she would have been 52 in 1805.
An Ebenezer Hornblow did witness the 2nd marriage of Sarah Hornblow ( Moore) when she married John Cadle in Deptford in 1816.

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Essex / Baptism look up request
« on: Sunday 12 August 18 12:09 BST (UK)  »

I want to confirm a baptism Entry for Mary Catherine Moore -not sure which Colchester Church  - date is 30th March 1811-  I want to find out if there is another child, John Cotten Moore  baptised the same day, her twin.

Moderator comment: edited for content

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Essex / Re: Elizabeth YOUNG b c1764
« on: Saturday 26 August 17 09:26 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth Young who married John Hornblow in 1775   marriage found in FindMyPast
 Licence date  11 Jan 1775  marriage 13 Jan 1775 s13 JAN 1775,  Saint George Botolph Lane, London to Elizabeth YOUNG daughter of John & Rachel Young-who were dissenters-
 I am fairly sure of this because John & Elizabeth Hornblow had a daughter Rachel who died in Braintree in 1799 age 22 and Braintree is where Rev John Hornblow and his wife lived after living in London until 1779 and where he was the Particular Baptist Minister.
https://sites.google.com/site/pomeroytrees/  Sarahs Children.
Sarah who at her final marriage called herself Sarah Emily was married 4 time see my website
 I have recently amended the list of her siblings - they have inceased to 11 possibles. Unsure of the last child Ebenezer as his dates are unknown.

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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Francis Ford Devon
« on: Tuesday 21 March 17 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
FindMyPast has numerous Francis fords.something like 1500 of them
I found these
Francis Ford death and Burial  24 May 1635 Honiton servant to John Ballyman

Ford    Francis     1635    Devon Burials    Honiton, Devon, England    
Ford    Frances     1636    England Marriages 1538-1973    —    
Ford    Francisca     2 Jun 1626   Devon Burials    Ashburton, Devon, England    
Ford    Franciscus    21 Apr 1622    Devon Burials    Ashburton, Devon, England    
Frannces Ford  Baptism 5 Jan 1636 Anglican in Seaton & Beer Father Abraham Ford Mother Gartrude

I have made a page for Ford of Ashburton- on  Pomeroy Twig  here
https://sites.google.com/site/pomeroytwigs2/devon-manors/ashburton-holne/ford-st-clere-in-ashburton
 

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Surrey Completed Look up Requests / Re: Figg Family from Ockley area
« on: Wednesday 08 February 17 13:05 GMT (UK)  »
I have a Kate Figg, my grandmother, born 1882, daughter of James Figg age 52 1901- he was a Gardener from Ockley, Surrey living in Forest Hill, in the London Borough of Lewisham.
wife recorded as Jane Figg age 45 born Sydenham, Kent, England    
siblings
Ruth Figg  born 1880    Dress Maker  Forest Hill, Kent
not in 1901 census with family - Kate  Figg  age 25  when married in 1907  born 1882 so 1901 =19 years old - did she go into service ?
William    Figg 16    1885    Bookstall Assistant  Forest Hill, Kent, England    
Frank    Figg     14    1887    School Boy      Forest Hill, Kent, England    
Alice    Figg     5    1896    -         Forest Hill, Kent, England
Possibly her
1901 Census Inholmes Park Road, Ditchling, Lewes, Sussex, 
Willm G    Tindal-Atkinson    Head    Married  25    1876     son of Rev TA Oxon Tutor In Private Schl    Ditchling, Sussex, England    
Margaret E  Tindal-Atkinson    Wife    Married  30    1871     Feering, Essex, England    
Kate A    Figg    Servant       Single    17    1884    General Servant Domestic       Burgess Hill, Sussex, England
No Kate Figg found born in Burgess hill so this could be her.

she married my grandfather Percy Randall Cook in 1907 and they lived in Lewisham- Have a copy of their marriage certificate and the address matches although Kate is absent in 1901

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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Harberton Parish Records - TURPIN
« on: Saturday 04 June 16 15:18 BST (UK)  »
The Turpin family were in Harberton for many many generations.
By chance I had this with 96 other Pomeroy records from A2A ..it may be the only one but you could try looking.
Devon Record Office  3799M-0/ET/13/4  1435
Contents: Lease for three lives
1. Edward of la POMEROY esq.
2. John Turpyn the elder son of John Turpyn of Harberton, Johane his wife and John their son
Premises: one messuage and all 1.'s lands with the houses, closes and appurtenances in Harberton and one cottage with garden adjacent at le Torre which John Mey and Ammia his wife formerly held from 1.
Rent: 13/4d. 2. have to keep all the property in a good state of repair, excepting one house called le Oldehalle which is now totally ruinous
Witnesses: Henry Bere, William Pyper, John Adam, John Turpyn, John Hore
Date: Harberton, Wednesday, the feast of the Innocents, 14 Henry VI
Seal: small, round, lion's head with initials E.P.
 and also
http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Harberton/HarbertonProtestationReturn.htm
1641
Crispin Turpin , Crispin Turpin,  Hugh Turpin, Nathaniel Turpin, Richard Turpin, Thomas Turpin,Walter Turpin

and later 1723
http://www.foda.org.uk/oaths/QS17/2/1/7b.htm
Benjamin Turpin of Harberton [Marked] made his x in the Devon and Exeter Oath Rolls



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Devon / Re: Devon House of Mercy
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 12:27 GMT (UK)  »

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Devon / Re: Devon House of Mercy
« on: Saturday 05 March 16 12:14 GMT (UK)  »
The description wasn't mine...!
I did not follow this at all after the initial research and I thought I had some other research but I seem to have lost it in a computer crash. >:(

 

 

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