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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 11:50 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Sunday 23 August 15 11:38 BST (UK)
You're very fortunate to have the letter! Primary source from the 1850s - very exciting!

(My thinking behind "surname" was that although weak in body, the girl was from a strong family, with a strong family spirit?)

It's pretty cool :) Strange though as it appears to be from children of my 4th great grandfather's first marriage. A unique thing to have amongst a few of my great grandfather's possessions.

It's a better guess than anything I had!

Quote from: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 11:47 BST (UK)
Quote from: maddys52 on Sunday 23 August 15 11:38 BST (UK)
You're very fortunate to have the letter! Primary source from the 1850s - very exciting!

(My thinking behind "surname" was that although weak in body, the girl was from a strong family, with a strong family spirit?)

Which might also fit if bubs was illegitimate.

I'll be spending some time tonight looking into this :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 11:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for the help! I don't like to ask for help too often so I appreciate all your time here.

If anyone is wondering of the back story here, it seems two daughters of my 4th great grandfather left the village of Crosby-on-Eden, Cumberland to live in Newcastle and Wolverhampton respectively, and seems the letter made its way back to Cumberland sometime not too long afterward and it was with my relatives (part of my great grandfather's possessions) on my recent travel over there (from my home in Australia).

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 11:23 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 11:12 BST (UK)
The date still bothers me a little for a few reasons

If its May 22 what is it before the date.

Also I am fairly certain that the Post office didn't use green ink in 1880s

I'm not sure what it is before the May 22 but with the date stamped 1851 and the picture of Newcastle from August 1850, I'm happy putting it in that time. No idea about Post Office inks though!

Quote from: Jool on Sunday 23 August 15 11:19 BST (UK)
Just to confirm the 1851 date on the envelope is correct.  There is a 26 year old Ann Little working as a servant to Mr. Hembrew in Clarendon Street, Wolverhampton in 1851.  :)

Yes I'd found that shortly before posting. I found it using the address though; I hadn't the slightest clue what the "Hembrow" name was.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 10:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 10:43 BST (UK)
Re the date I read

3 (maybe 5) May 22 (perhaps 72)

How sure are you of the 185 date

I didn't include a scan of the envelope as there wasn't much on there but it has 1851 on it. I'll attach it for you.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 10:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Wiggy on Sunday 23 August 15 10:21 BST (UK)
Sorry Fab3bird - I was working on the first reply while you were answering - trying to see the letter and answer at the same time so  . . .  go back and see the various changes I have suggested.

Thank you for the suggestions. I was also thinking the last two words might be "yours, Ellen" but wanted someone else to confirm. :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 10:19 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 10:13 BST (UK)
Quote from: fab3bird on Sunday 23 August 15 10:06 BST (UK)
Quote from: PaulineJ on Sunday 23 August 15 09:59 BST (UK)
y?? is going (last line)

Quote from: Wiggy on Sunday 23 August 15 10:06 BST (UK)
last line   . . .' are going to call'

Oh I see. Perhaps the bottom line is "we are going to call her then" in regards to naming her daughter?

I think the word you are reading as "then" on the last line is a name.

Maybe starting with H or A.

Thanks for this suggestion! The letter was being sent to an Ann, so the person writing the letter may have been writing to inform her that the child would be named after her.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 10:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: PaulineJ on Sunday 23 August 15 09:59 BST (UK)
y?? is going (last line)

Quote from: Wiggy on Sunday 23 August 15 10:06 BST (UK)
last line   . . .' are going to call'

Oh I see. Perhaps the bottom line is "we are going to call her then" in regards to naming her daughter?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Would like some help with this letter from 1851
« on: Sunday 23 August 15 09:55 BST (UK)  »
Could anyone weigh in on deciphering this letter? I've had a go (which I've attached alongside a scan of the original) but I've had to come ask for your help and opinions.

Thank you.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What do you think this name is?
« on: Wednesday 24 September 14 11:13 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gadget on Tuesday 23 September 14 16:41 BST (UK)
I'm not sure that you will find her father.

Rose(tta) could well have done what my grandfather and his sister did on their wedding certificates. Both were born in the same time period as Rosetta. My grandfather was the younger and was born in a workhouse and stayed there until he was 12 and then was apprenticed. His sister was brought up by her grandparents (thinking of them as her parents). Their mother was sent to a Midlands home for unmarried mothers/laundry and then went in to service.

Great Aunt used her grandfather's name as father on her marriage cert. My grandfather used his own name with a made up occupation. He was a very proud but generous man. Both their birth certs and baptism entries record them without a named father.

I discovered this in the last 15 years - my mother never knew.

Gadget

Interesting story, thanks for the insight.

Even if I don't find the father, I'd just like to get around the confusion of whether she has a father with the Carter surname or whether Carter came from her unmarried mother Eliza, which is what I had thought prior to getting the marriage certificate.

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