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To Jo Harding. I had a look in the indexes and found 23/09/1794 Edward Williams= Elizabeth Roberts which fits in with the census entry with Owen Roberts nephew. So unfortuneatly its not mine but it does eliminate one more possibility.

Llangar was a parish just outside Corwen which is not that far away so it could be that couple.

In the Newcwys P.R.s there are a couple of notes about H. Mason curate being in a damaged state of mind and deleting somethings between 1793 and his death in 1801 and in 1788 a note saying he was either drunk or out of his mind. The drunk bit was probably an awful slur on a sick man. However it does seem that records around the time of John and Elizabeth's marriage might have got lost.

Thanks again for your help, I will let you know if I make progress. Bye Alan

Before the war my parents took us on several holidays to a caravan near the lead mine at Gwernymynydd. It was in a corner of a field by the ruin of a cottage which is still there very much overgrown and fenced off so I couldn't get in or see what was there now.
The site is just south of the present Fron farm and near the footpath from ffordd Glyndwr to Bryn Goleu.
The caravan was actually an old horse drawn furniture van converted and could sleep four adults and four children in a very cramped way.
The van I understand was part owned by Ernest Davies who was a friend of my parents and he had relatives in Nercwys who they used to visit when there.
My interest now is that as my g.g.grandfather Peter Williams was born in Nercwys in 1802, son of John and Elizabeth I am trying to pinpoint that John. There was the one who was curate from 1801 who at one time owned Fron but I can't find his wife's name and as Peter became an ag. lab. and gardener it seems unlikely his father was a curate.
 In 1901 Fron is occupied by a Williams and Bryn Goleu by a Davies and this is only twenty odd years before my parents and Ernest and his wife Lily Gorvin started going there.
Can anyone help me with info. about Davies's or Williams's who might fit into this set up in any way.
We and the Davies's lived in Liverpool and they had a son Ainsley Gorvin Davies.
Thanks for any hints. Alan Williams
 

Just a bit on Henderson's fire. I was in Byrom St. nautical school doing a ticket and from the window on the William Brown St side we could see across to the smoke rising. When it was first spotted and someone said " Henderson's is on fire" one of the lads shot out of his desk and jumped through the open window (it was a warm day) onto the grass and raced off there as his wife worked in Henderson's. I think she was OK. Alan

I seem to remember a very large ( maybe 10 feet long) model of a parrot hanging on a ring suspended from the ceiling in the big stair well. Also a large - well I was only four- wooden rocking horse for kids to sit on.

When they re-opened after the war they once had father christmas and his grotto arriving while still in October.

Has anyone lost a Thomas Baylis who appears from nowhere in 1770  when he marries a Mary Ritson in Cumberland. He was a mariner and from then on the family stayed in the Maryport area and there are still traces of them there. There were no Baylis's in CUM before him.

Thomas was a g.g.grandfather of mine. My bit of the line moved to Liverpool and Baylis was used as a middle name for 3 generations after for some reason I cannot see. It was having an uncle William Baylis Paul that got me into F.H. in the first place.

Any suggestions appreiciated. Thanks Alan Williams