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Bedfordshire / Re: Meppershall Manor, occupants or owners
« on: Monday 01 February 16 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Sorry David we appear to have crossed posting. Looks like you got there before me.
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Bedfordshire / Re: Meppershall Manor, occupants or owners
« on: Monday 01 February 16 17:51 GMT (UK) »
David, your tip about the comma seems to have worked. i just searched Watson, Frances and it turned up something that i haven't yet had time to study.
Reference
AU10/1/6
Title
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including George Wateson, many individuals and discussed, but the principal subjects include:
- Timothy Archer, Rector of Meppershall and his daughter Frances (later married John Watson);
- Frances (d.1701) and John (d.c.1697) Watson and John's father Richard, "a popish recusant" of Little Park, Ampthill (d.c.1643); John left plate in his will to Ampthill church; children of John and Frances were George [1653-1742], Charles [bap.1654], Rebecca [bap.1656], Henry [bap.1660] and Mary [d.1662]
- Edward Holden, Rector of Ampthill 1671-1680, later of Weston on Trent [Derbyshire], husband of Rebecca (daughter of John and Frances Watson);
- Thomas Archer, Rector of Houghton Conquest and author of a "gossipy commonplace book"
Date free text
2002-2003
Production date
From: 1643 To: 2003
Level of description
item
Persons/institution keyword
Underwood, Andrew Grimmer,
Milburn, Elizabeth,
Wateson, George,
Archer, Timothy,
Archer, Frances,
Watson, Frances,
Watson, John,
Watson, Richard,
Watson, Charles,
Watson, Rebecca,
Watson, Henry,
Watson, Mary,
Holden, Edward,
Holden, Rebecca,
Archer, Thomas
Keywords
clergy names index, church plate, Roman Catholic individuals, AMPTHILL, MEPPERSHALL, HOUGHTON CONQUEST, Weston upon Trent, Ampthill Little Park
Hierarchy browser
Andrew Underwood Collection
fonds | AU
Biographical
sub-fonds | AU10
Rev.George Wateson (1653-1742)
series | AU10/1
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including Ge...
item | AU10/1/6
2002-2003
Reference
AU10/1/6
Title
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including George Wateson, many individuals and discussed, but the principal subjects include:
- Timothy Archer, Rector of Meppershall and his daughter Frances (later married John Watson);
- Frances (d.1701) and John (d.c.1697) Watson and John's father Richard, "a popish recusant" of Little Park, Ampthill (d.c.1643); John left plate in his will to Ampthill church; children of John and Frances were George [1653-1742], Charles [bap.1654], Rebecca [bap.1656], Henry [bap.1660] and Mary [d.1662]
- Edward Holden, Rector of Ampthill 1671-1680, later of Weston on Trent [Derbyshire], husband of Rebecca (daughter of John and Frances Watson);
- Thomas Archer, Rector of Houghton Conquest and author of a "gossipy commonplace book"
Date free text
2002-2003
Production date
From: 1643 To: 2003
Level of description
item
Persons/institution keyword
Underwood, Andrew Grimmer,
Milburn, Elizabeth,
Wateson, George,
Archer, Timothy,
Archer, Frances,
Watson, Frances,
Watson, John,
Watson, Richard,
Watson, Charles,
Watson, Rebecca,
Watson, Henry,
Watson, Mary,
Holden, Edward,
Holden, Rebecca,
Archer, Thomas
Keywords
clergy names index, church plate, Roman Catholic individuals, AMPTHILL, MEPPERSHALL, HOUGHTON CONQUEST, Weston upon Trent, Ampthill Little Park
Hierarchy browser
Andrew Underwood Collection
fonds | AU
Biographical
sub-fonds | AU10
Rev.George Wateson (1653-1742)
series | AU10/1
Correspondence between Andrew Underwood and Elizabeth Milburn on the latter's ancestors including Ge...
item | AU10/1/6
2002-2003
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Bedfordshire / Re: Meppershall Manor, occupants or owners
« on: Sunday 31 January 16 10:08 GMT (UK) »
Stevew; thanks for the link, unfortunately i couldn't get it to work. i have searched BLARS with little or no results on this particular topic, i will contact them direct to see what they can suggest, they have helped me in the past.
David, good to make your acquaintance again, as you see i'm still struggling with the Fullwoods.
I found another snippet on http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp268-275#p47
In 1691–2 Elizabeth Emery, in performance of the will of her sister, Sarah Emery, conveyed to trustees a messuage and certain lands in the parish of Wilshamstead, now a farm containing 17 a., let at £28 a year, upon trust to apply one moiety of the income for educational purposes in Ampthill and the other moiety for the like purposes in the parish of Meppershall.
The administration of the charity is regulated by a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, dated 5 July 1901.
In 1740 the Rev. George Wateson by deed gave an annuity of £5, issuing out of land in Foundry Lane, for teaching children to read and instruction in the catechism. The annuity has been redeemed by the transfer to the official trustees of £166 13s. 4d. India 3 per cent. stock, who also hold £28 13s. 2½ per cent. annuities, representing the redemption of a charge of 1s. a year on the glebe land.
By a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, 6 May 1892, the income is applied towards the expenses of the Sunday school and school prizes.
The Feoffee or Charity Estate, comprised in certain ancient deeds, was in 1819 the subject of proceedings in Chancery, and in the result the charity estates were by deed, dated 16 April 1822, conveyed to trustees upon trust for the use and benefit of industrious poor of Ampthill and Maulden, subject to the regulations respecting the application and management settled by the court and annexed by way of schedule to the deed.
The reference to George Wateson (Watson maybe), 1740, is interesting seeing as Thomas & Charlotte Fullwood gave that name to their first son in 1742. I'm wondering if George Wateson is Frances Watsons son but i haven't found anything to back that up.
Also I can't find Charlottes marriage to confirm her maiden name although (unreliable) trees on familysearch say her name was Holden married in Snitterfcield 15th Nov. 1738. That year is missing from parish records as far as i can trace.
This may be coincidence but 3rd April 1673 Rebecca Watson married Edward Houlden in Ampthill, parents named John & Frances Watson, i can't link them yet.
As you say David, Richard Emery christened Frances in 1668 in Ampthill but there are 2 burials for Richards name in Meppershall 28th Jan 1683 and 9th Sept 1686 so is it coincidence or is one of them Frances' dad?
David, good to make your acquaintance again, as you see i'm still struggling with the Fullwoods.
I found another snippet on http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/beds/vol3/pp268-275#p47
In 1691–2 Elizabeth Emery, in performance of the will of her sister, Sarah Emery, conveyed to trustees a messuage and certain lands in the parish of Wilshamstead, now a farm containing 17 a., let at £28 a year, upon trust to apply one moiety of the income for educational purposes in Ampthill and the other moiety for the like purposes in the parish of Meppershall.
The administration of the charity is regulated by a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, dated 5 July 1901.
In 1740 the Rev. George Wateson by deed gave an annuity of £5, issuing out of land in Foundry Lane, for teaching children to read and instruction in the catechism. The annuity has been redeemed by the transfer to the official trustees of £166 13s. 4d. India 3 per cent. stock, who also hold £28 13s. 2½ per cent. annuities, representing the redemption of a charge of 1s. a year on the glebe land.
By a scheme of the Charity Commissioners, 6 May 1892, the income is applied towards the expenses of the Sunday school and school prizes.
The Feoffee or Charity Estate, comprised in certain ancient deeds, was in 1819 the subject of proceedings in Chancery, and in the result the charity estates were by deed, dated 16 April 1822, conveyed to trustees upon trust for the use and benefit of industrious poor of Ampthill and Maulden, subject to the regulations respecting the application and management settled by the court and annexed by way of schedule to the deed.
The reference to George Wateson (Watson maybe), 1740, is interesting seeing as Thomas & Charlotte Fullwood gave that name to their first son in 1742. I'm wondering if George Wateson is Frances Watsons son but i haven't found anything to back that up.
Also I can't find Charlottes marriage to confirm her maiden name although (unreliable) trees on familysearch say her name was Holden married in Snitterfcield 15th Nov. 1738. That year is missing from parish records as far as i can trace.
This may be coincidence but 3rd April 1673 Rebecca Watson married Edward Houlden in Ampthill, parents named John & Frances Watson, i can't link them yet.
As you say David, Richard Emery christened Frances in 1668 in Ampthill but there are 2 burials for Richards name in Meppershall 28th Jan 1683 and 9th Sept 1686 so is it coincidence or is one of them Frances' dad?
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Bedfordshire / Meppershall Manor, occupants or owners
« on: Saturday 30 January 16 10:47 GMT (UK) »
I've been searching for the names of owners, and or occupiers of Meppershall Manor between about 1700 -1740ish. I understand Richard Stringer sold it to Richard Emery c.1651 then he left it to his daughters Sarah and Elizabeth around 1688. It then passed to their aunt Frances Watson about 1697 and there the trail goes cold. I haven't been able to establish the link between Frances Watson and the Emery family but i suppose Frances may have been Richards sister. According to British history online the next known owners are Charlotte and Thomas Fullwood in 1744 and i think Charlotte was related to the Watson family. They came to Meppershall from Bearley Warwickshire where in 1742 they had a son who they named George Watson Fullwood christened in Snitterfield, sadly he died within 2 years.
Can anyone shed any more light on this conundrum please?
Can anyone shed any more light on this conundrum please?
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The Common Room / Re: UK Electoral Roll
« on: Friday 10 May 13 06:39 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Alexander,
that goes some way to explaining it.
Regards,
Terry
that goes some way to explaining it.
Regards,
Terry
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The Common Room / UK Electoral Roll
« on: Friday 10 May 13 06:13 BST (UK) »
Hello,
Can anyone explain this.
I found a record on Ancestry, the 1907 electoral roll for a Susan Evans living at 17 Tilson Road, Camberwell, London, who i believe may have been my Great Grandmother born Susan Forrest in 1845 in Walworth.
I understood the women didn't get the vote until 1918 so why would she be on an electoral roll?
Thanks,
Terry
Can anyone explain this.
I found a record on Ancestry, the 1907 electoral roll for a Susan Evans living at 17 Tilson Road, Camberwell, London, who i believe may have been my Great Grandmother born Susan Forrest in 1845 in Walworth.
I understood the women didn't get the vote until 1918 so why would she be on an electoral roll?
Thanks,
Terry
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The Common Room / Re: Land tax records
« on: Friday 14 September 12 09:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that link Stan, it gives me a bit more background to work on.
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The Common Room / Land tax records
« on: Friday 14 September 12 09:15 BST (UK) »
I'm having trouble interpreting some land tax records that i found on Anc.
Example; George Brede 1787 Bishopsgate. It says he has 25 rents, the "personal" column indicates 2 shillings (i think) The "Real" column indicates £5. By my calculations 25 x 2 = 50 shillings (£2 -10 shillings, not £5). Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?
Also i dont think George Brede, a fishmonger, was wealthy enough to own 25 properties so i assume he was just collecting the rents, would that be right?
Regards,
Terry
Example; George Brede 1787 Bishopsgate. It says he has 25 rents, the "personal" column indicates 2 shillings (i think) The "Real" column indicates £5. By my calculations 25 x 2 = 50 shillings (£2 -10 shillings, not £5). Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?
Also i dont think George Brede, a fishmonger, was wealthy enough to own 25 properties so i assume he was just collecting the rents, would that be right?
Regards,
Terry
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The Common Room / Re: 1831 census for Holborn
« on: Sunday 20 May 12 10:54 BST (UK) »
Thank you Valda, and everybody else who helped,
That now explains why he is on the 1841 census having been sentenced to life transportation. So it looks very likely that this is my Robert.
He emigrated to the USA with his wife and family in September 1849 and arrived in New Orleans in November. I have them on the next US census in St.Louis, Missouri but i think it's highly likely he died in 1852 in Boonville Missouri. There is a Dennington who died 8th March 1852 aged 45.
Thanks again,
Terry
That now explains why he is on the 1841 census having been sentenced to life transportation. So it looks very likely that this is my Robert.
He emigrated to the USA with his wife and family in September 1849 and arrived in New Orleans in November. I have them on the next US census in St.Louis, Missouri but i think it's highly likely he died in 1852 in Boonville Missouri. There is a Dennington who died 8th March 1852 aged 45.
Thanks again,
Terry