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The Lighter Side / Re: WOW
« on: Thursday 04 August 22 15:19 BST (UK)  »
My maternal grandfather was one of 15 children. The first was born in 1875 when great grandmother was 23, and she didn't leave off until she was 46. The menopause must have been a great relief to her. She must have had the constitution of an ox because she lived until she was 92. My mother remembered her as a tiny woman dressed all in black and looking like Queen Victoria. Her husband, a blacksmith and farmer, had died many years before when he was 72.

On the other side, my paternal grandparents had three children in three years. The doctor told granddad if he didn't ease up he would kill his wife. They had only two more children at longer intervals. Grandmother died aged 68 before I was born.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Looking for some Clarke's
« on: Friday 29 July 22 14:29 BST (UK)  »

Ive checked for Wills of probate in 1870,
the wording exactly reads ''Letters of Administration of the personal estate and effects of George Staffurth Clarke late of 37 Worship-street Finsbury in the county of Middlesex, hair dresser deceased who died 14 April 1865 at 37 worship-street aforesaid were granted at the Principple registry to Jane Birch (Wife of William Birch, Yoeman) (formerly Clarke, Widow) of 2 Third-court Tower-street Summer-lane Birmingham in the County of Warwick the relict of the said Deceased she having been first sworn.''

The wording si abit much, for me it would be guessing work as to what it all means, but it sonds liek he left teh house toher, even tho she remarried, It appears to have taken 5 years after he died to settle the Will, she moved to birmingham in 1870?

Letters of Administration means he died intestate, that is he didn't leave a Will but he must have had sufficient assets to require administration of his estate. Jane was his wife at the time of his death so she was eligible to apply for administration.

It's probably not worth applying for a copy of the Letters of Administration as it is unlikely to contain any more information than what you quoted from the Probate Calendar. It won't tell you what assets he had or how they were distributed, but since Jane was his widow she probably got the lot. It doesn't say he left a house to her - did he own a house?

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London and Middlesex / Re: 1881 Burial in Camden.
« on: Wednesday 27 July 22 13:57 BST (UK)  »
Enumerated, thanks for your help.  I didn't understand that those probate references in Ancestry aren't the actual wills.
Thank you Althea 7. I am glad to know that my effort wasn't wasted. My feathers are all smoothed down again now  ;)

I used to work for solicitors and typed up many Wills and probate documents so I am familiar with the process, or I used to be - it was so long ago I have forgotten a lot of it.

If you want to get a copy of William Eglin Clayton's Will you should order it from the government website :
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/

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The Common Room / Re: Images not showing on FS
« on: Wednesday 27 July 22 12:22 BST (UK)  »
I clicked the link and saw exactly the same thing as you Flemming.

Is that all the images or just the blank ones with 'photo' written on them?

Just the ones with 'photo' written on them. I could open the pages with burials showing and read the details.

Very strange. I've never seen that before where you could look at some pages and not others.

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I don't think they would have been pretending. I think I read on another thread that marriage legitimises the births of children born before the marriage and so that is a valid reason for re-registration.

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The Common Room / Re: Findagrave swamped with inaccurate entries?
« on: Tuesday 26 July 22 20:41 BST (UK)  »
"First concerns a relative whose entry show an incorrect middle name. My correction with a explanation was sent but no response."

The memorial manager may no longer be active on findagrave or perhaps they have changed their email address. If you had used the edit system there would have been a response - the manager would have to accept or decline the edit. If they did nothing, the edit would have been automatically accepted after 21 days.

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London and Middlesex / Re: 1881 Burial in Camden.
« on: Tuesday 26 July 22 19:51 BST (UK)  »
I do have the Probate for him, which is on Ancestry.  He left everything to his wife Elizabeth Ann.

"late of Canonbury Park North in the County of Middlesex, Gentleman, who died 18th October 1881 at Orton in the County of Westmorland was proved by Elizabeth Ann Clayton sole Executrix.  Personal Estate:  £7,634 14s 1d."

John, I think it was Althea7's comment, above, that probably prompted Enumerated's clarification of probate executors. I think Enumerated's comment was likely for Althea7's benefit.

Well of course it was. Thank you Cuffie. Since I didn't mention John's post I can't think why he thought my post was directed at him. It would have been very laborious to have to delete the quote from Althea7's post.

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London and Middlesex / Re: 1881 Burial in Camden.
« on: Tuesday 26 July 22 16:20 BST (UK)  »


As his estate was a reasonably valuable one, perhaps you could look in the Death Duty Registers?
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/death-duties-1796-1903/


Thanks for that.

I do have the Probate for him, which is on Ancestry.  He left everything to his wife Elizabeth Ann.

"late of Canonbury Park North in the County of Middlesex, Gentleman, who died 18th October 1881 at Orton in the County of Westmorland was proved by Elizabeth Ann Clayton sole Executrix.  Personal Estate:  £7,634 14s 1d."

The entry in the Probate Calendar which you found on Ancestry doesn't tell you who the beneficiaries were, you have to buy the Will to find that information.  The Probate Calendar only gives the names of the executors appointed to administer and distribute the estate, who may or may not also be beneficiaries.

In this case the executor is his wife and she probably was the main beneficiary, but I felt compelled to clear up this common misconception that the people named in the Probate Calendar  were the beneficiaries. Sometimes you will see a solicitor or even a bank named as the executor, and they certainly didn't inherit anything although they would have had their professional fees paid out of the estate.


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London and Middlesex / Re: 1881 Burial in Camden.
« on: Tuesday 26 July 22 15:46 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find out where William Eglin Clayton, 1850-1881, is buried.  I looked on deceasedonline.com and it just says Camden, buried on 21st October 1881.

I would say that he was buried at Highgate Cemetery.

He wasn't famous.  He was fairly wealthy and would almost definitely have his own grave stone, but I thought Highgate Cemetery was just famous and very rich people?

Not at all. Highgate is one of the so-called "magnificent seven" cemeteries created in the 1830s when the churchyards of London were full to overflowing (literally in some cases) and were ordered to be closed. The cemeteries catered for Londoners of all classes, and Highgate contains common graves as well as private graves.
You could create a memorial on findagrave for William Eglin Clayton and then put in a photo request. However you would have to determine if he is buried in Highgate West or Highgate East as they are separate entries on findagrave and both were operating in 1881.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/638895/highgate-cemetery-west
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/638894/highgate-cemetery-east

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