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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: louisa Harvey rotherham 1906
« on: Friday 18 March 11 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Have you considered contacting the Sheffield Indexers? They have quite a lot of records available and have been very helpful to me in the past.

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Transcription and Latin Help please
« on: Thursday 17 March 11 11:41 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry I haven't done much here! Haven't heard from the friend who was going to look at it, but he did say his GCSE latin was a bit rusty!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Transcription and Latin Help please
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 22:17 GMT (UK)  »
Not promising anything but sent this to a friend who did Latin at school - you never know!

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Monday 14 March 11 17:05 GMT (UK)  »
Interestingly, before I went out earlier this afternoon, I had just stumbled across a couple of Willam F Thornes (Dorset I think) who were listed on a criminal register, imprisoned, or emigrated for crimes  in 1890. Interesting because your Francis doesn't appear on the 1891 register. I don't have a premium membership on Ancestry so couldn't view the full details but it might be worth a look.

Was it a crime, for instance, if a girl became pregnant and was under the age of consent? Just another line of thought!

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Monday 14 March 11 13:53 GMT (UK)  »
This is it, I too am clutching at straws! I thought perhaps she wasn't registered at all as she belonged to one of the elder girls and not Georgiana and Francis. It is possible that the younger Francis was the father but at his age I doubt it, would it not have been more likely if it were one of the boys that the child would stay with its mothers side? I can find no sign of Francis William after the 81 either.


Who knows? If the mother died, was young or perhaps was living in poorer circumstances than the Thornes it is possible that they came to an arrangement to bring her up as they may have wanted her to have a better start in life (maybe an option was the workhouse?)

In my experience I have often found it beneficial to leave a puzzle like this and concentrate elsewhere for a while, say looking at the wider tree of the other sisters or the parents siblings. Often it has accidentally produced evidence that I was looking for. For instance, in the 1901 census a child appeared living with my Ggrandparents. It turned out she was my great grandmother's niece. Her sister had an illegitimate child who later married and had three children. Husband died and left her destitute and the daughter was adopted and brought up by my Ggrandparents. Researching her background eventually brought me to a lost relative further back up the tree - who had been admitted to an asylum miles away in another part of the country after the birth of a child (I guess it was just post natal depression). I was amazed - my lost relative just "turned up" when I wasn't even looking for her.

I feel for you - I really do - it is so annoying when you can't piece together the bits of a puzzle. In most cases problems like this occur in the 18th century when records were more scarce, but for it to occur in an era when documents are more readily available is extremely frustrating.

Good luck - if any of us come up with any ideas we will let you know!

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Monday 14 March 11 12:33 GMT (UK)  »
OK - I admit I am now clutching at straws but I am going to throw out a possible scenario for consideration - call it creative thinking!

What if one of the Thorne boys got a girl pregnant, she had a baby and the Thorne family brought her up as their own? perhaps the girl died, or it was a convenient arrangement. In that case the child would not have been registered initially as a Thorne, or would she?

The reason I have wandered along this path is that Francis William has gone missing on the 1891 census - did he ever appear again? There is no record of a death for him, and he would have been around 14 or 15 at the time of Eunice's birth - old enough to do the deed, but probably not old enough to have been a good father. Eunice named her father as William (wheelwright) on her marriage certificate and didn't change this. Is it possible that Francis William was banished by the family somewhere? Perhaps he went to sea, or emigrated to America or something?

I also notice that Eunice was named as Priscilla on the 1891 census, and not her own name.

Like I said - I have no concrete evidence and am just thinking "outside the box" to see if it helps solve a puzzle.  ;)

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Monday 14 March 11 08:19 GMT (UK)  »
I've got a bit confused now!  ??? Am I right in thinking that Amelia was originally Frances, and died in Holloway Prison in 1903? If so it is just Eunice we are looking for.

Does Eunice have any other names - could she also have had Eunice as her middle name and been baptised with a different one?

Also, when Eunice changed her name on her marriage certificate in 1930, did she also change her father's name and occupation or did they remain the same?

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Sunday 13 March 11 21:17 GMT (UK)  »
You haven't mentioned Justina who also seems to be a daughter of Francis and Georgiana. Do you know about her, or could she be Eunice (possibly mistranscribed?)

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Sussex / Re: Why can't I find birth registered?
« on: Sunday 13 March 11 21:03 GMT (UK)  »
Oooh oooh oooh! My Thorne family come from Dorset too - Marston Magna area. I wonder if there is a connection?

ETA - just looked at the distance between Hampreston and Marston Magna - 1 hour 11 minutes - so unlikely to be a connection I should think.  :(

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