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England / Re: John & Jane Tillyer - after 1861
« on: Monday 25 January 16 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
  :)

My search isn't helped by the fact that there were so many Tillyers born in Bedfont all with similar names

And likely related in some way

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England / Re: John & Jane Tillyer - after 1861
« on: Monday 25 January 16 10:19 GMT (UK)  »
I guess the father's name could have been incorrectly recorded on the marriage certificate?

The age is roughly correct... Although the age on the marriage certificate and subsequent census' puts this John Tillyer as about 7-10 years younger than the John I'm looking for... Although I know age wasn't always accurately recorded

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England / Re: John & Jane Tillyer - after 1861
« on: Monday 25 January 16 10:17 GMT (UK)  »
I thought it could be him too.. Married a second time to Emma... But his father's name on this John and Emma's marriage certificate is John Tillyer... Not William Tillyer

Although I definitely thought it was him for a while.


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England / John & Jane Tillyer - after 1861
« on: Monday 25 January 16 09:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi  :)
I'm trying to find out what happened to John Tillyer and his wife Jane after 1861. They appear to vanish,  and I cannot find any trace of them on a census or any death record matching them.

John was born John Charles Tillyer in Bedfont, Middlesex in 1833 - son of William Tillyer and Elizabeth.
He was the youngest of several children.
There were several Tillyer families in that area it seems, and the surname is often mis-spelt as Tillier or Tyllier... amongst others - which makes things a little confusing.

I can find John aged 7 on the 1841 census living in the Bedfont area with his parents and some older siblings.
In 1851 he is in the Midlands in the Warwickshire area with his brother William, staying with his eldest sister.
In 1861, he is in Aston, Warwickshire as a lodger - married to Jane.
Then... nothing.

I can't find any marriage record for John and Jane.

Jane is listed as being born in 1833 in Broom, Warwickshire on the 1861 census.

A couple of John's elder siblings did move to the Birmingham area and raise families there. The rest of his siblings and parents stayed in the Bedfont/Feltham area.

Any help with census records after 1861 or death records would be much appreciated.

Thank you  :) :)

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Not yet. But I will have a look.
Thanks for your help Rosie. :)

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Hi Rosie,

I just downloaded the marriage certificate and George Tillyer is definitely Caroline's son.

The certificate says his mother is: Caroline Tillyer (maiden name Tillyer)
His father is listed as: John Tillyer - occupation soldier.

So.... In 1851, George is living with his grandparents - Caroline's parents.
Where is Caroline? I don't know.

I doubt that his fathers surname was also Tillyer - but the fact that his father is named John and is a soldier.... In 1851 John Williamson was a soldier  living at Winchester I think....

So could his father be John Williamson?
Or is it a John Tillyer - maybe a cousin of his mum?

I guess George would have taken the surname Tillyer because his parents were unmarried so he would have taken his mothers surname.

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Now you mention it... I only have one document listing him as "George Frederick" and that is his Australian death certificate.

All other documents have him only as George.
His marriage certificate has him only as George too but does confirm his birthplace as Bedfont.

George Frederick does seem to be a family name - a few other siblings used it.

Emily Caroline (the daughter from this thread) named one of her sons George Frederick too.

But I suppose it's possible I have the wrong person and he is just "George Tillyer"....although there was a George Frederick Tillyer born in the right year and registered in Staines

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Thanks Rosie.

If I could just find Caroline on the 1851 census it might clear a few things up.
The problem is, her surname Tillyer is spelled several different ways on different census and birth documents
Sometimes Tillier. Sometimes totally different

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Ah... Thanks Rosie99.

Does anyone know if it was common to have children outside of marriage in the 1840s/1850s. Or at least widely accepted?

I suppose it's possible that the children aren't either of the parents and are maybe relatives' children who they took in as their own?

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