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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Monday 30 July 18 04:24 BST (UK)  »
That’s good to know John. Will be very helpful to pin people down!
I am still up to my eyes in Common / Henzell relatives.
I am sure it will all be clear, one day!
Thanks again,
Eileen

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Sunday 29 July 18 05:04 BST (UK)  »
I am working my way through the possibilities you have suggested John and Kay. Thank you.
What do people mean when they refer to the old index and new index in FreeBMD?
If William was illegitimate and “invented “ a father William ( who he said was a boilersmith), this would be recorded on his marriage certificate too?
He did use the Henzell middle name for one of his children, so it seems that he was from the line you discovered Kay. And possibly an illegitimate child of Joseph Henzell Commons(1805) daughter, as you have suggested John.
I will work my way through the census records for those years and let you know if I make any discoveries.
It’s a tangled web and made more difficult by the birth registration apparently being corrupted.
Keeps me busy. Thanks again,
Eileen.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Saturday 28 July 18 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the ideas.
So many variations on the Common name, and many Henzell middle names too!
Back to my William. I found several possible births in 1853, but none so far name the father as William, as mentioned in my record of his marriage.
I may need to apply for the marriage certificate to confirm that detail.
But for now, I will explore all the information, and ideas you have given me above.
He is being very difficult!
Thanks for the help.
Eileen

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Saturday 28 July 18 00:58 BST (UK)  »
Just a quick extra question please. I notice that some have mentioned viewing the names on the page where William Common(s) birth is / should be registered.
The record I have is the A-Z record of the Dec quarter 1853.
How do I get to view the individual page names,  please?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Saturday 28 July 18 00:36 BST (UK)  »
Lovely information. Thank you all. Seems like I have to wait for a response from the GRO before I can do anything further about his birth certificate.
I was intrigued with the “Henzell” middle name and have tried looking for a Henzell, Common marriage.
Thank you Jen and Kay for giving me another avenue to check out. If I start with that 1799 marriage and try following it down. Gives me something to be exploring while I wait.
Very grateful for all the input.
Thanks,
Eileen

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Friday 27 July 18 10:51 BST (UK)  »
On second thoughts, the marriage certificate won’t give me any more information than I have, just confirm those details . I really need his birth certificate to get his mothers maiden name. So, I have reported the missing entry to the GRO, and hopefully if they get it sorted, I will be able to apply for his birth certificate.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Friday 27 July 18 08:37 BST (UK)  »
Oh, if only I could remember Kay, but it was early days, and I was not aware of the importance of making notes!
I have, at times trolled thru various bishops transcripts, but the only other likely place is the Family Search website.
I have just registered on the GRO website, and gave the details from the birth index below,
Name: William Commons
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1853
Registration District: Sunderland
County: Durham
Event Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 10A
Page: 311
Line Number: 24

You are right, despite many variations it cannot find a match.
I will try for a match for the marriage certificate.



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Family History Beginners Board / Re: William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Friday 27 July 18 07:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reply Kay.
No, I have not applied for the certificates yet. I am in Australia, so depend on snail mail. May be my next step.
Actually I am embarrassed to admit I have an note on my tree from research done 8 years ago, where I have given detailed information on William’s marriage, but no source. Blowed if I can find the record now!
Below is what I have recorded.

Marriage of William and Jane Ann Common: Married on 1st July 1876 in the parish church of St. Johns in Newcastle on Tyne. 
William Common aged 22 : Glassman.
 His father William Common : Boiler Smith.
 Jane Ann Wilson aged 21.
 Her father William Wilson : Joiner.
 Witnesses : Robert Wales and Dorothy Hill Bennett.
 
Coincidentally the family in Sunderland have boilersmiths and iron workers. William is the only Glass worker so far.

Would I be better off going for his birth certificate Kay? Would there be any more information on his marriage certificate?

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Family History Beginners Board / William Common Born abt 1853 Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham
« on: Friday 27 July 18 05:14 BST (UK)  »

Hello all.
I am hoping for help to locate William Common prior to the 1881 census, where he lives in Picton Terrace Newcastle. He is a 27 yr old Glass Maker and gives his birthplace as Sunderland Durham. He is married to Jane Ann (was Wilson), and has 3 children. The eldest Anne is to become my gr grandmother.
I did find the record for his marriage to Jane Ann Wilson in the July to September quarter of 1876.

I have found subsequent records for them in the following years census until his death, which would appear to be  Gateshead, March 1917 where he was given as age 63.
I have been unable to find him in the census records for 1861 or 1871.

William was born in Sunderland, but married in Newcastle, and there on the 1881 and 1901 census.
But, he did spend time in Sunderland too! His daughter Mary was born there in 1878, son John Henzell born Newcastle 1881 yet died in Sunderland the following year, and they were living there during the 1891 census.
There is another family in the Sunderland area (possibly related) John and Catherine Common with a son Wlliam around the same age, which does cause confusion.
William lived his final years and died as a widower in Gateshead, Durham in 1917.
I am hoping someone will be able to help me to find William prior to his marriage, so I can identify his parents and follow his line back.
All help gratefully received.
Eileen

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