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Europe / Re: Helsen family, France, Flanders, London
« on: Thursday 31 July 14 17:27 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much, Jorose, for all that information.  Some of which I already have but my Helsen research notes are all rather muddled.

I have been looking at the notes passed to me by my husband's cousin, Paul, who died recently, and his mother (youngest daughter of Victor and Blanche, Eve Yolande Helsen) remembered a Grand'pere Coulon but he thought it was a different branch of the family.  He wasn't computer literate so did not have access to all the records.
 
I am interested in what sort of institution Sophie and Claud Victor Coulon were in on the 1911 census, along with many other French nationals.  I will have to look that up.
Eve Yolande (later called Yvonne) and her husband Philip Oliver had an apartment in Brighton which cousin Paul inherited and kept on for many years.

It would appear that there are also connections to Belgium and Flanders through several branches of the family.  There are many people named Helsen in the Antwerp area of Belgium to this day.  I have made a tentative connection to a Jean Francois Helsen and his wife Marie Ann (nee de Marteau) whose family seems to come from Flanders.  I think he might be the father of Victor's father, Gerard Hubert Helsen.

Gerard's first wife Jeanne Catherine Pittoors has a Belgian name too.

No nearer to finding the missing children in 1911 but you have given me lots to work on.

Thanks again
Carole

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Europe / Re: Helsen family, France, Flanders, London
« on: Thursday 31 July 14 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your help Garstonite

My Victor Helsen but he was born in 1868 in Paris so would have been before those dates but he and his wife Blanche had 13 children, several of which died in infancy. 

8 children survived into adulthood and I have only traced 3 deaths, the first Maurice who died in Paris in 1897 and two, both named Victor who died in London in 1903 and 1907.

Victor and Blanche were married in 1887 so the 2 Victors could be infants who did not survive very long.  It is usual to name sons after their fathers, after all.
I have not come across Marie Louise Helsen or Rosalie Marie.

At the time of his marriage Victor lived in Rue de la Villette, 19th Arrondissement and I think he possibly had at least one brother, possibly named Henri Louis Helsen.  It would be unlikely that he was an only child.  Victor's parents were Gerard Hubert Helsen born 1834 and his first wife Jeanne Catherine Pittoors born 1841.  I believe the family originated in Flanders.

I will check out the link.

Thanks again


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Europe / Re: Helsen family, France, Flanders, London
« on: Wednesday 30 July 14 18:46 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Jorose

I have searched everywhere for the younger children on the 1911 census.  I don't think there were any other branches of the Helsen family in England at the time.  Also I cannot find the Cantin family so they may well have returned to France.

I agree with you that it is odd that it is the younger children who are missing.  I am wondering if Victor just forgot to put the younger ones on the form!  I know it sounds silly but he could have been disturbed whilst filling it in and never gone back to it to add them on.

I have learned over the past few years just how difficult it is to research French ancestors.  We are so lucky in this country.
Thanks for your help.

Carole

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Europe / Helsen family, France, Flanders, London
« on: Wednesday 30 July 14 14:14 BST (UK)  »
My husband's Grandfather, Victor Helsen and his wife Blanche (nee Cantin) travelled to London from Paris around 1899/1900.  In 1901 they were living in Shaftesbury Avenue and in 1911 they were living in Baleman Street, Westminster.  Later they moved to Tottenham.
It would appear that Blanche's family also moved to London but I am not sure if it was before or after the Helsen family.
The first 4 children, Marcel, Jeanne, Marguerite and Fernand were born in Paris.  They then had at least 6 more children in London, including my husband's father Lucien Maurice Helsen born 1902.

On the 1911 census only the older children were with the parents in London and I cannot find any trace of the remaining children, Lucien, Eve Yolande and Marius Henry.

I wondered if anyone could tell me if there is any way I could check whether the younger children were in France in 1911.
Also, does anyone know why these two French families would have left their homes in Paris to live in London?  Victor was a Master Gilder and later on he and some of his sons set up business in Oxford Street, London and were highly regarded.

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Kent / John Meek, Clerk at Fort Pitt, Chatham
« on: Thursday 10 July 14 12:39 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find out more about my 3 x Great Grandfather John Meek who, at the time of the baptism of his children, was a Clerk at Fort Pitt, Chatham. 

I cannot find his birth date but his children were Mary Ann Meek B 1811, Elizabeth Massett Meek B 1814, Sarah Meek B 1817, Charlotte Meek B 1819 (all baptised at St Mary, Chatham) and John Meek B 1820 (my 2 x Gt Grandfather). 

I have John Meek (senior) as marrying Mary Ann Inment Brayley at St Mary the Virgin in Dover in 1808 but someone else, who has this John Meek in their tree, has him as marrying Mary Ann Norwood in 1806 in Marylebone. 

I only have the online record of the marriage to Mary Ann Inment Brayley so cannot prove it but, according to their online tree, the person who has him marrying Mary Ann Norwood has no proof either.

I am wondering if there are any records for Fort Pitt which could give me the date of birth or any other information of my 3 x Great Grandfather, John Meek.

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England / Re: Two Grants of Probate
« on: Monday 14 April 14 10:49 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Dawnsh.

Sorry for being so dense!

Carole.

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England / Re: Two Grants of Probate
« on: Monday 14 April 14 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone. 

I have looked on the website and am still not sure what can be gained by sending for copies as the information you get back seems to be the same as the information already available on Ancestry.

Anyway, I will ask my friend if he wants me to go any further with this.

Thanks
Carole

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England / Re: Two Grants of Probate
« on: Sunday 13 April 14 12:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Dawnsh and Marmalady.
I am not sure if it is worth pursuing the probate records if it doesn't offer any information about what was in the will.
Hopefully, the National Archives will eventually publish more wills.
Thanks again.
Carole

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England / Re: Two Grants of Probate
« on: Saturday 12 April 14 16:46 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Elwyn.  That is very helpful. 
Maybe I am reading too much into the fact that one of the sons was missing presumed dead.  It may be that the assets were distributed in 1896 but, as you say, something else came to light in 1914.
I am very grateful for the help.
Carole

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