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Cornwall / Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« on: Sunday 20 March 16 00:27 GMT (UK)  »
William Henry Liddell was Captain of the troopship HMS Tamar from 22 April 1878.

I've found several mentions of his service in Tamar in the Zulu war of 1879, including rescuing the crew of a hired transport, the Clyde, in False Bay, 60 miles SE of Simon's Bay, in April 1879.
heand the ship were in the W Indies (Bermuda 28 Oct, Barbados 29 Dec) in late 1879.

Then I have a puzzling reference to being in Limassol, Cyprus, on 5 Dec 1880
(from the Thames Star, Volume XII, Issue 3784, 12 February 1881, Page 1)
- puzzling because he seems to have died 6 months earlier, with death cert. as follows -
Deaths Jun 1880
Liddell    William Henry    47    Portsea    2b   315
- which suggests perhaps he died at sea or on arrival in Portsmouth, but in any case 6 months before the Limassol reference.

I guess either checking the death certificate or Naval records would clear that up.

Why he's added to his grandparents' obelisk I don't know.

Thanks also for the info on the Bodmin Museum exhibit - it reminds me I have lots of info on James Liddell (1798-1889) and his ship the Wellington that I've been meaning to pass on to them.

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Cornwall / Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« on: Saturday 19 March 16 18:24 GMT (UK)  »
The obelisk photo is tantalising - I just can't read the top part.  Can you provide a transcription?

Thanks, Denis

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Cornwall / Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« on: Sunday 20 September 15 00:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Michelle

The deaths of George, Mary and two of her sisters can all be found n the National Probate Calendar for England & Wales:

LIDDELL George of 19 Wood Vale Lordship-lane Surrey died 19 February 1914 Probate London 24 March to Mary Liddell widow and Sophia Constance Fisher Lewin spinster. Effects £ 2088 14s. 10d.

George died at the same address where he was living in the 1911 census:
that census describes him as Paymaster-in-chief, RN, retired.

Sophia Constance Fisher Lewin d 7 Mar 1927, of Villa Violetta Territet Switzerland
Probate to Annie Blanche Lewin spinster. Effects £ 1109 3s. 4d. in England

ABL d 29 Mar 1942 aged 78 in Cornwall - "of Trevone & Montreux, Switzerland".
Sophia CF Lewin and Blanche L Lewin can be found with Mary and their parents in the 1871 census. They were born in 1859 and 1863  resp., so a lot younger than Mary.

Mary Liddell widow d 2 Dec 1929, of Villa Violetta etc. Probate to Julia Ada Olver spinster and Eliza Mapson Wintringham (wife of John Fildes Wintringham).  Effects £ 2761 11s. 5d.  Resworn £ 3056 4s. 4d.

I'll leave you to find out who Julia Ada Olver & Eliza Mapson Wintringham were!

31
England / Re: Family Records Centre
« on: Sunday 26 July 15 08:28 BST (UK)  »
Dear barryd and dawnsh

I'm not sure why barryd posted the info on the birth of Martha Austin here.  This (rather old) topic was about a John Austin who's almost certainly from a different family.

If anyone's interested I have a lot of info on Martha's family: parents James Austin and Sophia Hill had 10 children in all, 6 of whom went out to Ceylon or southern India; I have Sophia's parents but still not James's. .. A slightly out-of-date summary of what I have is at www.mollison.org/tree/fam/austin.html  (must update this!).

Martha and George Lee had 9 children, including Lionel Frederick (1845-1899) and Henry Austin (1847-1918) who had quite distinguished careers in Ceylon Civil Service and Foreign Office respectively.

.. but I'd suggest if anyone else is interested in this family we should start a new topic.

Best wishes,  Denis


32
Cornwall / Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« on: Wednesday 08 April 15 21:30 BST (UK)  »
The James Liddell born in Stepney on 29? Sept 1765 doesn't seem very likely to be our JL.
[I say 29? because I have a note of 28 Sept, worked out from the christening record giving his age as 15 days at christening on 13 October.]

That would make him 73 at death on 13 July 1839, not 74 as given in the West Briton on 19 July 1839 (and his family are generally accurate in giving their ages in e.g. censuses).
His father being a carpenter, and mother unable to write her name at marriage (31 Aug 1760   St Botolph Algate, London) is of course possible, but isn't a likely background for a stationer and printer.
Thirdly, the biography of his son James, which is generally accurate, refers to his parents as being from Lancashire; now that is certainly wrong as regards his mother, Mary Martyn of St Columb Minor, but seems an unlikely mistake if he came from London.  My guess is it might be a mistake for Lanarkshire, a likely area for Liddells, whereas I can't find any Liddells from 18th C Lancashire.

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage look-up Campton, Bedford
« on: Saturday 14 February 15 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your thanks, but I'd already found them when I came across your query.  I was working backwards from Edward Atkinson, who died 100 years ago - my great-grandfather succeeded him at Clare - who married Frances Hester Smith in 1856.

Among the "lot about them online" I found that her cousin, daughter of bird artist Christopher Webb Smith, is the heroine (if that's the right word) of a recent novel, "The Sealed Letter" by Emma Donoghue.

Is there a connection between Frances's families and the William Webb (b Sutton Coldfield 1775, d 1856) who was Atkinson's predecessor?  Her father's family (e.g. Christopher Webb Smith) have the Webb name, and her mother's a connection with Sutton Coldfield - her mother's brother was rector there, and her mother's parents married there in 1793.

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Bedfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage look-up Campton, Bedford
« on: Saturday 14 February 15 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
Haven't seen the marriage entry, but here are their children:

Richard Carter Smith / Mary Williamson
m 24 Nov 1825 Campton, Beds
->
Frances Hester Smith      b 14 Aug 1827   St Olave
 (Richard Carter Smith, Merchant, & Mary, no.20 Shepherd Market)
- married 3 Jun 1856 St Dunstan, Stepney; d 1908
- husband Edward Atkinson (1819-1915), Master of Clare College Cambridge 1856-1915 (!)
Mary Carter Smith      c 2 Oct 1829   Chr Ch, Southwark
Richard Goodhall Smith          c 5 Apr 1832   Chr Ch, Southwark
- Richard Carter & Mary, Stamford St, Merchant
Ann Maria Smith         21 Apr 1835   St P
Elizabeth Harriet Smith      23 Jun 1837   St P
Edmond Henry Carter Smith   11 Jul, c 17 Sep 1839   St Pancras
- RC & Mary Smith of Kentish Town, Merchant; bapt. by Richard Williamson DD

AND his family:

Henry Smith 
Hester Beavis Carter
m 17 Oct 1785 St Mary Bothaw
(HS widower otp, HBC spinster of the parish of Edmonton;
by Henry Owen, rector of St Olave, Hart St;
witn.  William Blizard, Maria Blizard, Anne Carter, Mary Carter)
->
Hester Carter Smith   b 9 Oct, c 7 Nov 1786 - St Swithin London Stone
Henry William Smith   c 28 Sep 1787 - St Swithin London Stone
?? Henry Webb Smith   b 4 Apr, c 27 Jun 1790 - Saint Olave,Southwark
- father Henry Smith, mother Elizabeth
Christopher Webb Smith   b 30 May, c 27? Jun 1793   St Giles, Camberwell, Surrey
- bird artist, etc - d 18 Jan 1871 Florence
William Blizard Smith   b 18 Apr, c 14 May 1795 - St Giles, Camberwell, Surrey
- d 18 Jul 1835 Bengal
Helen Jane Smith   c 4 May 1797 - St Giles, Camberwell, Surrey,
Robert Webb Smith   c 10 Jul 1799 - St Giles, Camberwell, Surreyy
Richd. Carter Smith   c 21 Dec 1801 - Saint Giles,Camberwell
Gerard Edwd Smith   b 28 Jan, c 24 Feb 1804 - St Giles, Camberwell, Surrey

AND hers:

Rev Edmund Williamson / Phoebe Riland (d 23 Oct 1840 aged 73?, Park St, Lonodn)
m 28 Jan 1793 Sutton Coldfield
->
Edmund Ryland Williamson c 23 Oct 1795 - Old Warden,Bedford
Frances Williamson   c 7 Dec 1798 - Campton,Bedford
Mary Williamson       c 6 Dec 1799 - Campton,Bedford
Catherine Williamson   c 8 Apr 1801 - Campton,Bedford
Richard Williamson   c 28 Dec 1802 - Campton,Bedford
- headmaster of Westminster School 1828-46
William Williamson   c 7 Feb 1804 - Campton,Bedford
- fellow and tutor of Clare Coll, Cambridge
Elizabeth Williamson   c 2 Jul 1805 - Campton,Bedford
Henry Williamson   c 1 May 1807 - Campton,Bedford
Anne Williamson      c 28 Sep 1809 - Campton,Bedford




35
Cornwall / Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« on: Monday 20 October 14 17:38 BST (UK)  »
Yes, quite a few marriages between first cousins.

For a start, John Liddell and Gertrude Hiscutt were cousins - inbreeding doesn't seem to have had too bad an effect, seeing that they managed 55 grandchildren!  And some of those intermarried, for instance daughter Gertrude Symons's daughter Gertrude married Mary Liddell's son James.


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Thanks!

Are the baptism records accessible to you, or do you know whether they are likely to include any information on profession or residence of the father?  Presumably the (first) marriage record would indicate if the  partners were from outwith the parish?

Denis

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