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Ireland / Re: James Clarence Mangan
« on: Tuesday 03 November 09 13:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi clarah,
there are 5 people on rootschat who have the surname Mangan in their names of interest.You could send them a pm and see if they have any info;in case they don't see this thread.You can find their details in the SIT table, just click on the surnames button at the top of this page.

Tony

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Tyrone / Re: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start...
« on: Tuesday 03 November 09 12:58 GMT (UK)  »
jj,
I couldn't find anything definite on michael joseph.There are too many variants that could be him but I wouldn't like to say.
There was one that I thought could have been him,for a few seconds anyway;Michael J. Carroll arrived Liverpool 30-dec-1908,saloonkeeper,irish citizen,aged 39. Your Michael would have been 29 in 1908 of course, so not him, but it would have been a tidy fit.He's there somewhere!

Tony

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Tyrone / Re: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start...
« on: Monday 02 November 09 19:01 GMT (UK)  »
jj,
no sign of Michael Joseph on the same ship as that Agnes but there are others that could be him in preceding arrivals.What was his date of birth and his occupation when he got married? I realise he might have changed occupations in the meantime but you never know.

Tony

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Tyrone / Re: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start...
« on: Monday 02 November 09 16:42 GMT (UK)  »
  Some of the favorite Irish Roman Catholic “Christian”, or first names, at that time for girls included:
Mary, Catherine, Bridget, Honora, Margaret, Ellen, Anastasia, Johanna, Judith, Julia, Rosanna, Maryanne, Elizabeth and Jane.
Favorite Protestant girl’s names seem to have been:
Mary, Sarah, Elizabeth, Eleanor, Lucy, Catherine, Susanna, Hannah, Margaret, Jane, Isabella, Frances and Alice.
That was the point I was making jj;the name Elizabeth is not exclusive to any one religion.

Tony

by the way,there was an Agnes Gaffigan who arrived at Queenstown,26-july-1912,aged 23,aboard the White Star Line ship "Celtic".Her occupation looks something like stenographer,the word ends with grapher anyway.

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Tyrone / Re: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start...
« on: Monday 02 November 09 12:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tony,

It is a problem when one moves from a specific example and generalizes it to something that really could not stand up to scrutiny for every case.   :-X  Nor did you make it such a general rule, but it must be realized that there were some that named their children after saints, and those sanctified persons would of course be Irish. There were still many Roman Catholics, even in the enlightened 1800's (?), and even today, that would never, ever name their child after that good queen Bess.  While it is good that you would posit that changes were afoot around that time I will stand by the statement that one needs to look into that matter.  8)
Hi jj,
you asked a general question about the name Elizabeth and I gave a general answer which I still stand by. If I can word it another way then I would say that Elizabeth would be a normal name for a catholic girl but also a normal name for a non-catholic girl.
What I am trying to say is that you should not ignore any possible connections to your family,which is what you appear to say in your original post, on the basis that a name appears to you to be catholic/non catholic.Of course look into the matter and ask questions,no one is saying that you shouldn't.
Regarding the "enlightened" :) 1800's I would say that there was more chance of a girl being named Elizabeth after John the Baptist's mother rather than the Queen Elizabeth. Just my opinion though ;)

Tony

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Tyrone / Re: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start...
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 10:57 GMT (UK)  »
  Elizabeth would not be a normal name of a Catholic child, or would it?
Hi jj,
name's,surname and forename, that MIGHT be today associated with one religion or another can not be associated in the same way in the 1800's.I have seen loads of example's were the name is whatever religion you can think of. I've wondered when people started getting pigeon holed by their name but it doesn't seem to have been in the 1800's.

Tony

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Tyrone / Re: Place on birth cert in Omagh, Tyrone?
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 10:31 GMT (UK)  »
it looks like Creggandevesky which is a townland in the parish of Termonmaguirk;it is probably close to Omagh.

tony

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Tyrone / Re: Unknown maiden name
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 10:26 GMT (UK)  »
It's Mcsorley.He's seperated the Mc from the rest of the name.

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Tyrone / Re: haydock
« on: Sunday 25 October 09 09:35 GMT (UK)  »
there are 2 townlands in county tyrone with the name;Stangmore(Knox) and Stangmore(Magee) both in the parish of Clonfeacle. Stangmore(Knox) is just outside of Dungannon on the Moy road.

Tony

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