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Gloucestershire / Re: "New Orphan House"
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 16:30 BST (UK)  »
In 1871, I have Elizabeth and Mary Brewer (1856 and 1860, Kinver/Whittington, Staffordshire) in the "New Orphan House" in Clifton, Gloucestershire.

I've lost both after 1871,

Does anyone know what this Institution prepared the Inmates for (if anything)?
Were the destined for the Empire/Colonies as Servants?


Elizabeth left Ashley Down on 27 June 1872 as housemaid to Mrs OSborn, Wesleyan College, Richmond, Surrey.

Mary died in the Homes on 20 February 1875.

Girls were trained for domestic service, boys usually went to an apprenticeship.  They were not sent abroad.

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Gloucestershire / Re: "New Orphan House"
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 16:29 BST (UK)  »
deleted - duplicate post!

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Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: look up for 1891 and 1901
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 16:23 BST (UK)  »
Elsie Annie MOULD and Frank WILSON married Q3 1906 Bath 5c 1026  Have you got the marriage certificate?  That should show her father's name and occupation which might help.

Seems the Eliza MOULD in the orphanage is unlikely to be the right person.

Heather

Correct - Eliza's parents were Henry and Mary.

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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for Susanna Zelly/Burt 1841 census
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 16:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
On my great grandma's Mary Ann Burts birth cert (  born July 1844 at 12 North Quay Weymouth.  )  Her parents were James Burt and Susanna nee ZELLEY.

They had two other daughters , Sarah born 1842 and Jemima 1849.

Unfortunatly the parents died , James 1848 and Susanna 1849 and the children were put into the Bristol Orphanage, Ashley Down.

 I would like to find out more on Susanna  (Zelley ) on the 1841 census.  Whether she was still single on had just got married  to James Burt as Unfortunatley I have no details of their marriage as yet.
Be very grateful for any help.
Best wishes,
Granny Annie.

Mary Ann Burts was born on 26 July 1844.  Susanna and James were married on 4 December 1831 in Fleet.


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Canada / Re: Emmeline Annie Howe ?
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 16:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi there.

It appears that little Florence was not the only sibling in the orphanage in Bristol in 1911. There is also an Ernest Howe age 8 b. Dartford there as well.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X71G-97F

An Ernest George Howe age 18 arrived in Canada on the Melita 24 Apr 1921 en route to Saskatchewan. On his Form 30A he gives his mother as Mrs Howe who is living at the same address given the following year for Emmaline by William Francis when he came over. Also, William mentions he has a brother nearby on his Form 30A.

PB

Ernest was, indeed, Florence's brother.  Florence returned to her mother in Kent on 22 December 1915.  We do not know what happened to her afterwards


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Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: Combe St Nicholas Parish records COAT/COATE and NORTH
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 15:58 BST (UK)  »
It appears likely that Louisa aka Lousia NORTH had a sibling: 

CSN Baptism No 963 04 Jan 1863 William son of Edmund & Jane NORTH, of Chilworthy in the Parish of Ilminster, Labourer.

There is no trace of a burial at CSN but this appears to be the likely birth civil registration:

Birth   Dec 1862   NORTH, William    Chard 5c   476

The Death Mar 1863   NORTH, William    Chard 5c   420 appears to relate to the William NORTH aged 27 buried at Chaffcombe 29 Mar 1863.

There is an Orphan Scholar William NORTH aged 8 born Ilminster, Somerset, at 1871 Census ref RG10/2550 folio 69 page 18 [New Orphan House, Ashley Down, Bristol].

It never ceases to amaze me that every new discovery leads to a new hurdle ..... ::)

The "orphan scholar" William North died in the Ashley Down orphanage on 11 July 1872.  His parents were Edmund North and Jane North nee Coate (Coat on the marriage certificate)

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: 1861 census lookup - AYLING family
« on: Thursday 21 April 16 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi again Fred, looks like Eliza Ayling marries an Abraham Evans Jine qtr 1854 Wandsworth 1d 691, unable at present to locate 1861/71, Emma Ayling marries a Thomas Mcwilliams Dec qtr 1858 Wandsworth 1d 736, at present cannot locate in 1861?

1871 Census

Thomas Mcwilliams 48 occ London City Missionary b Ireland
Emma 37 b Wandsworth
Thomas George Mcwilliams 11 b Wandsworth
Annie Gautier Mcwilliams 9 b Sydenham
Saml Hugh Mcwilliams 8 b Forest Hill
Frederic Charles Mcwilliams 5 b Forest Hill
Eleanor Eliza Mcwilliams 3 b Forest Hill
Jessie Ayling Mcwilliams 1 b Sydenham
Residing at Elderton Terrace, Lewisham
Census Ref RG10/768/13/22

Possibly Thomas & Emma died as in 1881 Jessie aged 11 and Eleanor 13 both born Sydenham are in The New Orphan Houses, Ashley Down, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire
Census Ref RG11/2488/89/15 and Samuel 18 and Charles aged 15 are with a Joseph Jacob 46 occ London City Missionary b Cambridge & family at 36, Yalding Road, Bermondsey
Census Ref RG11/569/60/26 and Anne Mcwilliams aged 19 occ General Domestic Servant b Catford is with a Henry Bridge & family at 83, Wheeler Street, Maidstone
Census Ref RG11/931/126/20

Keyboard86

Emma McWilliams died on 3 May 1874 in Sydenham of anaemia syncope.  Thomas died on 13 August 1876 in the district of Saint John Horsleydown, of phthisis.  As well as Jessie and Eleanor, their sister Ada was admitted to Ashley Down.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Weston Super Mare childrens homes Rogers
« on: Monday 21 March 16 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
If you look carefully, you'll see that this thread was started in 2005.

The OP only made the 1 post, and hasn't been online since 2012.

I'm aware of that, but the OP may still be looking in and, in any case, others may find the information useful

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Lancashire / Re: Boys and Girls Refuges and Childrens Aid society.
« on: Monday 21 March 16 14:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Migky

George Müller founded a faith-based orphanage in Bristol in 1834 - he made no appeals or advertising, but relied solely on God, through prayer, to meet the needs of the orphanage.

During his lifetime (he died in 1898), he cared for over 10,000 "full" orphans (ie children who had lost both parents or, in a couple of rare cases, one had died but the other was in a mental home with no hope of recovery).  From 1901 until the homes closed in the mid-1980s, "partial" orphans were also admitted.

The George Müller Charitable Trust holds the records for all the children who passed through the doors of the orphanages (Müller's own house plus three other rented houses in Wilson Street, from 1834 - 1849, then five purpose-built homes on Ashley Down to the early 1950s, and then to smaller "family" units until we stopped residential care in the 80s).

There are admission registers showing the detail of the child's admission, dismissal registers (cross-referred to the admission registers) for all but the last few years, showing when the child left and where they went, plus files containing assorted paperwork relating to the admission.  We don't know what is in each file until it has been retrieved from the archive, but sometimes there are marriage and death certificates relating to the parents, and birth certificates for the child(ren).

For descendants, we do have to make a charge for copying these.  Visitors are welcome, but we do ask for a fortnight's notice and we have to charge £20 access fee - but this includes a copy of the admission and dismissal registers.  A copy of the file will cost an additional £30.

There is also a small museum at the Trust's HQ in Cotham Park, Bristol.

Contact details are on www.mullers.org.

Regards

Alan


Since that post, we have changed our charging structure.

A visit to the museum to view the records now costs £5.

If copies are desired, we charge £15 for a CD with the records as .JPG images, £25 for paper copies, or £35 for both.

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