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London and Middlesex / Re: KATHLEEN HARRISON -ACTRESS = Raynes Park - MERTON
« on: Friday 17 November 23 18:22 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Bobsffc on Monday 30 October 23 23:32 GMT (UK)
Just to say that she is buried in Chislehurst Cemetery (South East London) together with one of her sons, Michael. As it happens, I've just authorised work on the grave as the inscription has become pretty illegible. It should all be completed in early 2024.

She is currently  listed at Mortlake Crematorium on findagrave :
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/234555018/kathleen-harrison

If she were moved to the correct cemetery, a grave photo could be requested when the restoration is completed.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2132953/chislehurst-cemetery

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The Common Room / Re: Find A Grave biographies
« on: Friday 17 November 23 17:15 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Blue70 on Friday 17 November 23 16:43 GMT (UK)
FAG is not a resource I think to use they're like the tree sites they are at the back of my mind when I'm researching they are part of the wild west of genealogy  ;D

C

What, you're not interested in seeing photos of your ancestors' gravestones?

Gravestones can be valuable sources of information. The Victorian gravestones I am adding to findagrave often have useful extra information such as occupations and addresses. There are often infant children listed who were born and died between the census which you wouldn't otherwise know about. It might save you buying the death certificate since the full death date is usually on the stone.

The bios are another matter. I only add verifiable data to the bio, such as info from the burial register or probate calendar, when creating memorials. The problem is that other people can edit the memorial and add info that I am unable to verify. This puts me in a quandary as I don't want to be uncooperative, but I have had little success when asking for sources.

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The Common Room / Re: Monumental Inscirptions at Norwood Cemetery, Lambeth
« on: Thursday 16 November 23 16:03 GMT (UK)  »
I wanted to give you a link to FOWNC but I still can't get the website to load - it just times out. I don't know if it's just me or if the website is down. Are you able to get on it? www.fownc.org

If you do decide to come and look for yourself you will definitely need the square number or it will be hopeless. Even then you would need to come early and allow plenty of time. The cemetery is on winter hours now and closes at 4 pm.

This findagrave memorial has photos of the cemetery map and a plot map.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187533039/william-henry_wentworth_atkins-bowyer
You can see there are a lot of graves in each square and I hope this will give you an idea of the difficulty of finding a particular grave. Just working out where a particular square is will be hard enough as they are not marked on the ground. If you are lucky and your ancestor has a gravestone with a clear inscription you might be able to find it easily. Otherwise you will be peering at numerous worn and crumbling monuments which are barely legible.

Whether or not there is a gravestone FOWNC should be able to locate the grave. They are familiar with the layout of the cemetery and have many years experience.

Good luck.

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The Common Room / Re: Monumental Inscirptions at Norwood Cemetery, Lambeth
« on: Tuesday 14 November 23 17:37 GMT (UK)  »
There is no complete list of MIs. Presumably you have looked on Findagrave and Billiongraves to see if this grave has been photographed. If not you can make a memorial page on Findagrave and make a photo request, but you would need the plot number to have any chance of the photo request being fulfilled.

West Norwood Cemetery (formerly the South Metropolitan Cemetery) is over 40 acres. By the middle of the 20th century it was full and was abandoned by the South Metropolitan Cemetery Company. It became completely overgrown and was eventually taken over by Lambeth Council who set about bulldozing graves to make room for more burials. So even if there was a gravestone once it may not be there any longer.

The cemetery staff/Lambeth Council won't be able to tell you if there is a surviving gravestone. Your best bet would be to contact the Friends of West Norwood Cemetery (FOWNC) who have been very helpful in such situations in the past.


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The Common Room / Re: Age of infants
« on: Tuesday 01 August 23 16:58 BST (UK)  »
Many years ago I compared a 19th century burial register against the BTs (I think it was Stalbridge in Dorset). I noticed that in the burial register the children's ages were recorded, whereas in the BTs all children under the age of six were described as infants.

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London and Middlesex / Re: St Paul's Parish Church, Greenwich - location query
« on: Tuesday 09 May 23 16:24 BST (UK)  »
St Alphege/Alfege is the ancient parish church of Greenwich.

St Paul's parish was created in 1864 and the church was built in Devonshire Drive (formerly Devonshire Road), Greenwich. The church was closed in 1984 and is now used by the Seventh Day Adventists.

St Paul's parish registers are catalogued by LMA (London Metropolitan Archives) under P78/PAU1. If you have copies of the parish registers, you should see this reference somewhere on the side of the page.

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The Common Room / Re: How old can a mother be to give birth?
« on: Tuesday 15 November 22 18:11 GMT (UK)  »
Another thing, if she was born in 1747 she would have been a minor when she married in 1766. Does the marriage register say if she was of full age or a minor? Not conclusive, as she could have lied and said she was over 21.

A bit later in time, but my great grandmother (1852-1945) had 15 children, the last in 1899 when she was 47. They all survived childhood and Uncle Bert, the youngest, lived until 1990.

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The Common Room / Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« on: Monday 03 October 22 00:29 BST (UK)  »
In a branch of my tree, William (son of William and Mary) had five children,  three sons called William and two daughters called Mary, between 1850 and 1887. He had three wives, one William with each. The two elder sons had middle names. The first and third wives each had a daughter, Mary Rosa and Mary Agnes.

Added next morning: Forgot to say, all five lived to adulthood, four of them married and had children.

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Surrey / Re: Where was Catherine Gardner Buried? (Penge, 1886)
« on: Sunday 02 October 22 22:05 BST (UK)  »
Did you ever find where Catherine Gardner is buried? If not, have you tried Beckenham Cemetery?
https://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria-and-cemeteries/crematoria/find-a-crematorium/beckenham-crematorium/

The death place on the death certificate is completely wrong. Belvedere Road is not in Penge, and Penge is not in Lewisham. The death was registered in Croydon - if she had died in Lewisham it would have been registered in Lewisham.

The address on the probate record is correct - Belvedere Road is in Upper Norwood which is in Croydon district.

Frederick Wolseley, manufacturer of Wolseley cars, also lived in Belvedere Road and he is buried in Beckenham Cemetery.

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