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The Common Room / Re: Need some help solving a family mystery..
« on: Tuesday 15 March 16 09:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: JustinL on Tuesday 15 March 16 08:30 GMT (UK)
Are you able to scan the German document you mentioned at the end of your first post?

Surely, it can hardly be a coincidence that your grandfather hung on to this old document.

Justin

Yes, this document would be good to look at, scanned and posted.
Cocksie

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The Common Room / Re: Need some help solving a family mystery..
« on: Tuesday 15 March 16 09:30 GMT (UK)  »
I've been following this with interest, interested enough to do some googling, reading and online translation of documents found out there in cyber world.  There is something about the timeline(s) of this that doesn't seem to quite pan out. Can't put my finger on it without doing a timeline.
Walter is pretty clear and specific about where his parents lived about the time of their deportation to the Warsaw ghetto.
1. The two documents Walter received via the Red Cross - is there a date (month) on these documents?
Your Hugo's first wife, Selma appears to die in 1918. Having given birth to Jakob and subsequently a daughter in 1914 - correct?
2. Have you info/date of second marriage to Paula?
There were two sons from this marriage - Lou and Walter, correct? Walter born in 1923?
All four of these children survived WW2, albeit in different places (amazingly wonderful)

I am confused as to when this Siegmund immigrated to Argentina - can you confirm?
Siegmund had sons, including a Hugo, Walter and Robert - all of whom ended up in Argentina.the son Hugo appears to have immigrated there around 1946 - is this correct?

A Hugo submitted paperwork to authorities to document his father and grandfather. What date is this document? Do you have this? If so can you scan and post?

Am just trying to work out dates, movements, places etc to put my finger on what it is that does not fit or work. It "feels" like two Hugos .... Likely related ....but my "feel" is just that, a full timeline would help sort it out.
Cocksie


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The Common Room / Re: Need some help solving a family mystery..
« on: Sunday 13 March 16 22:18 GMT (UK)  »
Welcome
I'm not going to be much help either but I do know you need to make a couple more posts or replies (2 more) - so just respond to this twice more.
I did find this:

http://www.juden-im-alten-halberstadt.de/menschen.php?menschID=56&filter=

Could be you or a family member, mentions Walter, Jakob, Lou. Clearly two lots of Beverstein families are trying to make some kind of connection (located in Argentine and the USA respectively).seems to be a letter from Hugo and Paula in existence, sent just prior to being sent to Warsaw?

Also the link below:
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=1893791&language=en
Your grandfather Walter gives fairly detailed info of last known address. Dated 1989

Cocksie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Samuel SMITH
« on: Sunday 13 March 16 06:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Neil Todd on Sunday 13 March 16 04:41 GMT (UK)
Joseph SMITH married Elizabeth SEYMOUR in a C of E service St Andrews Sydney 1853

I know a fair bit about the SMITH/SEYMOUR duo. Happy to share if relevant.
Cocksie

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Ireland / Re: PRONI - St Anne's Shankill, Belfast (Connor Diocese) question
« on: Friday 11 March 16 09:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that info about the completeness of St Anne's register. Looks like it might be worth the friend I am assisting engaging a person in Belfast to have a look to see if he/she can find any of the baptisms.

We don't think that James Smith Shaw and Mary Hunter married in Belfast. His DC indicates a marriage in a place starting with D, has a G - tricky to read but put a scan on rootschat and got some excellent responses and thoughts: Dungiven being one of the possibilities......
James' DC also indicates his birth was in Cookstown, Tyrone (actually it says Antrim) and his death notice talks about a father "Dr John Cook" of Cookstown, Tyrone.

Haven't had a lot of joy pre 1858 "sighting" of James and Mary in Donegall pass area so thought finding/establishing their baptism would be a good start. We are drawn to St Anne's as we have found one child baptism and another child's subsequent marriage there......

Will pass on your info to my friend ....
Once again, thank you
Cocksie

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Ireland / Re: PRONI - St Anne's Shankill, Belfast (Connor Diocese) question
« on: Monday 07 March 16 11:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Maggsie
I don't have easy access to all collated data tonight but wanted to acknowledge your prompt response.
I am searching for the COI baptisms of the children of James Smith Shaw and his wife, Mary nee Hunter. Children all born between 1826 and 1835.  I believe Daughter Elizabeth Smith Shaw was the eldest, baptised in 1826 - found her baptism at St Anne's Shankill.

Am looking for baptisms of :
Jane Shaw
Mary Anne/ Marianne Shaw
William Henry Shaw (documents collated specify his actual birth date as 11 July (from memory) 1835
Fanny Louise/Louisa Shaw
Emily Shaw, b. Abt 1835. She marries Robert Holden in 1854 at St Anne's Shankill

The mother, Mary dies in 1858 (found newspaper death notice)
James and Mary appear to have lived in the Donegall Pass area - Charlotte street.
James' occupation is variously documented as carpenter, builder, joiner.
The children and James smith Shaw all end up in OZ, immigrating in dribs and drabs.

All children indicate (in their respective DCs and other later documents in OZ) that they were born in Belfast and that their mother's name was Mary, nee Hunter.
Have not been able to find marriage of James smith Shaw and Mary Hunter as yet.
Thought I would track down each child's baptism first but have hit a brick wall....
Would make sense if they were all baptised at St Anne's, hence my query as to what year/time gaps there are in the registers held at PRONI.
Cocksie

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Ireland / PRONI - St Anne's Shankill, Belfast (Connor Diocese) question
« on: Sunday 06 March 16 03:53 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to assist a friend of mine tracking down his ancestors.  We have managed to detect that his ancestors had some association (ie married, baptised) with St Anne's Shankill (Connor diocese), Belfast.  When searching on the rootsireland site I found 2 records relating to the family (1 baptism and 1 marriage) but am unable to track down the majority of the family being baptised etc at this church.
I gather PRONI holds the microfilm
PRONI REFERENCE NUMBER
MIC583/18-23; MIC1/178
The info on PRONI indicates that the records are "full" ie, not many gaps in the time period that we are interested in 1820-1858.  I have emailed PRONI asking about the condition, gaps etc of this register but have not heard back as yet.

Before my friend engages a local researcher to actually go to PRONI (we live in Australia and it seems the only way to access the microfiche is to physically go) I thought I would ask a question here:
1.  Does anyone know if there are time period gaps in the St Anne's Shankill register information held at PRONI - which could explain the "missing" baptisms, deaths etc we are looking for, particulaly the period 1820-1858.

I would welcome any assistance
Cocks

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The Common Room / Re: Have you ever..felt a little uncomfortable..
« on: Friday 05 February 16 23:29 GMT (UK)  »
I record all.
Reporting or sharing with other family members who profess interest is a minefield though - the same piece of shared information unleashes a whole gamut of responses: delight, interest, upset, denial.
It was a quandary and have made the decision that, if asked, I provide what I have found - no comment, no assumption, no notes, no discourse - just the document, newspaper clipping, transcript etc. What happens from then on is up to the "asker".
Cocksie

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: The Times wants your views: DNA ethnicity results
« on: Thursday 04 February 16 09:46 GMT (UK)  »
Fascinating to read 22 pages of opinions.
Now my two bobs worth:

Some time ago I did explore, investigate and read up on the different types of DNA testing that we're available. Unfortunately the output and discussions on the web about what the results were (and meant) did my head in - I couldn't retain the new terms ie "mitochondrial", "halytrope" "y6tr2" (ok I'm starting to make things up).

Then the sceptic in me raised its ugly head:
"Where does this data end up?" - not necessarily problematic today but might be in 10 years time.
"Where does all the monies (fees) go?" - if it went towards some bigger medical DNA research then it would seem less "frivolous" to me.

I came to the conclusion some time ago that I cannot absolutely know for a fact that my 4th g grandfather was the son of my 5th g grandfather, for example. However, the probability is very very high that my 4 th g grandfather is the son of my 5th g grandmother. So, perhaps DNA  testing could confirm (or not) this kind of thing. 

But do I actually care if my 4th g grandfather is not biologically the son of my 5th g grandfather? No, because My personal belief is that I am a product of nature/nurture combinations,  as were my ancestors before me. Genealogy research, for me, leads to a lot (a LOT) of general history reading about the certain time frames and events that, I suspect, informed my ancestors decisions and choices and I find social and political history fascinating. Establishment, via DNA ethnicity testing, that I am genetically 62% English (or Irish, or Danish, or gulumptite) leaves me cold.

...... However if DNA ethnicity testing could pinpoint the townland (preferably including the GPS location) in Ireland where my Irish convict ancestors came from (as well as the names of their parents I would be very, very, very INTERESTED!

Cocksie

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