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I am wondering if there are some BMD books missing or if John Turnbull and Helen Laidlaw married and had their children baptized in a non-conformist church in Scotland....since the OPR shows that their banns were on 22 Dec 1833 in the Hobkirk Parish Church but I can't find an OPR for their wedding or for the baptisms of their children. I am unsure how to check into this further.

I have been unable to determine whether this John Turnbull had any siblings.

Thank you for information about 1841 census which would suggest that John was born between 1807-1811. Unfortunately, my current remaining "possibilities" show a later date of birth. If you have any info on these John Turnbull's please let me know - it will help me eliminate them as contenders.

A. possibilities for  John Turnbull  who married Helen Laidlaw- need more information:
(Scotlands People lists 9 John Turnbull’s of which 4 had a father named John ; 1 in Selkirkshire)

1.} 19 Aug 1812 , Melrose, Roxburgh mother Alison Bathgate (father John born 1784 Melrose)- children:Alison 1810,John 19 Aug 1812 Melrose C11799-6; Jean 1814; Agnes 1816; George 1818: Margaret 1820) (Alison’s parents – George Bathgate and Malisa Purves)

2.} 24 Jul 1813 , Ancrum, Roxburgh, C11780-2 father John Turnbull possible mother Margaret Young married 3 Jan 1818 M117804. Possible sister Bella born 1808

3.} 10 May 1813 , Cavers, Roxburgh mother Elizabeth Stavert C11785-4- father John Turnbull
4.} 18 Feb 1813 Hawick, mother Isabel Wilson –(children  George born11/7/1806, Walter “ 26/10/1807 “died at birth; Walter “2/1/1809 - “ 20/2/1809; William 28/7/1810 - 27/8/1810; James 26/7/1812 5/3/1812 John 18 Feb 1813 C11789-4; 



B. I have eliminated these John Turnbull's as possibilities for the one who married Helen Laidlaw:
1.} John Turnbull  born 1806, Hawick, Married Jane Murray –children Elizabeth 1832, Margaret 1834, Jane 1839, James 1842,Margaret 1845)
2) John Turnbull  b Oct. 07,1806 in Glasgow to John Turnbull and Alison Noble, Marriage 13 April, 1828,  Glasgow, Lanarkshire to Janet Yuille. In the 1841 Census he was a ropemaker,
3.} John Turnbull b. 01 May 1814 Lilliesleaf, Roxburgh, mother Ann Boa(1788-1838) ( tree shows John’s father as born 1791 in Lilliesleaf d 3 Feb 1833 – children John 1814,Agnes 1816,Andrew 1819; James 1821; William 1823; Ebenezer 1826.; John’s parents John Turnbull 1760 and Euphemia 1764-1795) This 1814  John married Grace Clapperton and died 3 Feb 1853 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada
5.} John Turnbull b.21 Dec 1805 Melrose , mother Jean Currie
6.} Turnbull born 5 Mar 1808 , Kelso, Roxburgh, died 05 Mar 1808 –not named
7.} John Turnbull b. 15 Jul 1813 Hassendean, Minto, Roxburgh, mother  Margaret Hond/Houd b, 1780 Hassendean & John Turnbull b 13 February 1777 in Denholm, Cavers, Roxburgh, Sct  The 1813 John married Nancy Temple. He died 10 jan 1887 Roxburgh)
8.] John christened 18/7/1811 Hobkirk with the father Robert as the only parent shown….father is more likely to be a “John”
9.] at Cavers on 24-7-1808 a John Turnbull born to Alexander and Jean Scott
10) At Wilton 6-3-1811  John born to James Turnbull  and Margaret Dalgleish.
11. ] 19-8-1812 at Wilton a John born to James and Nelly Muir
born 1806, Hawick, Married Jane Murray –children Elizabeth 1832, Margaret 1834, Jane 1839, James 1842,Margaret 1845)

I have had no luck at finding John Turnbull's grave in Ontario. I did find a John Turnbull from Roxburghshire who died in Ayr, Ontario in 1843 but he turned out to be a tailor born in Lilliesleaf in 1801.

I thank you all so much for your helpful comments.

I am looking for descendants of John Turnbull and Alison Noble...or someone who is working on their family tree. I am wondering if they emigrated.

John TURNBULL, weaver, & Alison Noble both in this parish (Melrose) married on 1 Dec 1792 ------cautioner (witness) W'm Turnbull. (brother). 

JOHN TURNBULL was bapt 19 Mar 1769 C10009-1 in Melrose. His parents were THOMAS TURNBULL & PEGGY FORSAN/Phorsan 

Alison, written in register as ALICE bpt in 1769 Her  parents were ROBERT NOBLE & ISOBEL LAWRIE.

Children of John TURNBULL weaver & Alison Noble:

THOMAS bpt 9/11/1794, Gattonside, Wit: Rbt. Bunzie & Thomas Bouston.
ISOBEL bpt 5/3/1797, Newstead
MARGARET bpt 24/3/1799, Newstead, Wit: Rbt. Hurt & George Noble{brother}
ROBERT (writen in register) John TURNBULL weaver, Bridgeton & ELLISON NOBLE had their 5th child born 23rd july & bpt 16 Aug named ROBERT 1801. Wit: Rbt. & John STOBBS.

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My great-great grandparents - William English and Isabella Stevenson attended and are buried beside  Glasleck Presbyterian Church in Shercock. . .without headstones.I was able to obtain the birthdates of their five children including my great grandfather Randal English ( 1854-1926) who was
baptized in that church....but no dates on the parents who were married in about 1841.

Randal English emigrated to Canada and married Helen Fraser. Randal's sister Penelope came with him but the rest of the family stayed in Ireland - although one brother did disappear and it was conjectured that he went to Australia. I did visit a cousin of my grandfathers in the countryside near Kingscourt.

On the 1901 census Ireland, I did find a John Stevenson  in Horath Newtown Meath age 75 farmer birthplace Scotland abt 1826 farmer Presbyterian, can read and write
Mary Stevenson his wife age 74 birthplace Scotland abt 1826;with them is Margaret Blackwood stepdaughter 35 - Presbyterian born County Wicklow, they live next to James and Margaret Brady. John could be a brother of Isabella Stevenson whose first child was 1842 so could have been born 1822 or 1824.

I would appreciate any information that you might have on Englishes or Stevensons in Cavan or Meath. I do have the following info on property transactions:

William is on a 1876 list of landowners in Cavan - Taghart, Shercock 82 acres with a valuation of 31 pounds.

The Registry of Deeds suggests that the Englishes obtained their lease of Taghart on 4 July 1786 when Terence and Mabel Brady leased “part of the lands of Tahart in the parish of Enniskeen” to William English of Lisagoan, County Cavan, farmer, for 993 years. No earlier dealings or deeds to people with the last name of English could be found with regard to Tahart or Lisagaon.

There is also a lease dated 23 April 1787 whereby Terence and Mable Brady, executors of the last will of James Brady late of Killpatrick, Co. Westmeath gent deceased…let to William English of Lisagaon, County Cavan farmer, that part of the lands of Taghart in the parish of Enniskeen known as Sheognegleagh to hold for 950 years at 5 pounds 13 shillings 9d. per annum.

John and Thomas English

There is a property deed dated 1805 concerning property in Kingscourt. It is from John English of Kingscourt, farmer to Thomas English of Lisagoan, farmer. For 90 pounds, John sold a piece of ground in Kingscourt as held by lease from Thomas Vinsent of Kingscourt, stone cutter. John and Thomas are probably brothers, the sons of the William English of the 1786 deed.

The tithe applotment book for Enniskeen parish in 1827 shows Mr. John English and Mr. Thomas English as holding the two largest farms on South Tahart, being 54 acres 3 roods and 52 acres 3 roods respectively.

There is also a deed of 1801 made by William English of Oldcastle in County Meath and concerning the lands of Rossadon in County Cavan. Kingscourt is just on the Cavan/Meath border, and the area involved is very small so this William may belong to the same family.

The will of John English of Taghart was proved in the Prerogative Court in 1844. However, most wills were destroyed in the 1922 explosion at the Public Record Office in Dublin...and I have not been able to get a copy.

By 1856, there was only one English on South Taghart, namely William whose head landlord had become Edward John Smith, who must have acquired the Brady interest. William’s own holding was 80 acres and he had a further 107 acres sublet to various tenants. This William was likely the son of either John or Thomas and would appear to have been the ultimate heir of both. William married several years before the introduction of civil registration for marriages and thus his father’s name can not be gleaned from that source.

Cath