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The Common Room / The Best Online Genealogy Qualification Courses
« on: Monday 11 September 17 08:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi, RootsChat.

Today, I'm interested in what online genealogy courses you take to get your Genealogy Qualification(s).

  • Which course did you take?
  • What did you think of your chosen course?
  • Any regrets you have from taking the said course?

Quite intrigued to find out what people have to say!

Thank you

Katie

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Looks like Stocking maker to me :)

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Monday 24 July 17 12:50 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone once again,

I apologise for the long delay in my response but I have taken all your comments to heart. Over the past week, I have been typing a report comprising of all of your suggestions to better myself and my business.

I'm also pleased to say in the past week of business improvement I have gotten 2 new customers and I'm fairly sure more are to follow. I have booked sessions at local groups to speak too. I have contacted my county and neighbouring counties Coroner's department and much more.

I have also branched out in collecting the names of people buried in a nearby and surrounding graveyard to start composing family trees related to these people and will be making them available on the site for purchase.

Again, I thank you all :) and will keep you posted!

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Tuesday 18 July 17 09:58 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for the response :)

I'm currently working on updating my website and advertisement strategies with all your opinions :)

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 17:48 BST (UK)  »
I thank everyone for their comments. There has been a fair few since I last was online. I have read everything everyone has said and I'm a bit lost for words with what to type back as I'm currently taking everything in that everyone has said. However, I can assure you I am taking everyone's opinions into mind.

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 13:20 BST (UK)  »
Hello Katie, :) x

I am presuming you are quiet a young lady and so have time to look at what I am about to suggest.

The world is now a wealth of Knowledge and everyone and his neighbour can acquire most of their genealogical needs from switching on to a lap top!   So  what you have worked hard to achieve, is seemingly now out of date and not something your average 'Joe'  needs.

SO   you have an idea of a career, that you love and you want to make a living from it...

RE-THINK your plan... totally... GO to those who cannot come to you..  think of the elderly or infirm, that have 'No clue' how to use the internet...

Do Group sessions at a Retirement home... You have the knowledge and you can charge your £25 per hour for a couple of hours a week at maybe 3 homes... and have a lovely group of people WHO are desperate to learn more about their family... and just think after you leave them - they have something to communicate with each other about..

Just a thought -- I did it with Art Therapy some years back and they loved it.. 

SO don't give up... just RE- THINK this is only one idea, there are lots of routes to take.  ENJOY

xin

I am indeed young. Thank you for your input. I have done business cards and leaflets and left them in key areas for the older generations like Garden Centre's and so on with a non-internet related contact method as I do know it's the under 30's and the over 60's that are the key audience for having their trees traced. This is something I was particularly careful with. I did not want to limit the older generations out of having their tree traced for them.

I will take your opinion into mind.

Thank you :)

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 13:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Katie,

It is a pity it hasn't worked out as you'd planned.

Having read the others comments I agree your pricing is far too cheap & can't possibly earn you a living.

There are of course many things not online which need a researcher to do but getting the work is hard as people don't seem to take 'time' into consideration.

They may need info. from your local archives which may cost you £5 (as an e.g.) to get there & back, a 30 min round trip (including parking & having to walk a bit).

3 hrs searching with either photos/scans/usb copies or possibly even hand written transcriptions?

Then your time to upload the info. to send & depending on what you found may take e.g. 1 hr as it takes time to upload to email (not forgetting your typing of a transcription you did)!

There's a lot of time involved.

At a cost of minimum wage (£7.50p/h) for the above as an e.g....

1/2 hr (drive)
3 hrs (research/transcribe)
1 hr (upload/type/email)

4.5 hrs x £7.50 = £33.75
£5 (petrol) - Total £38.75

Then...

"I'm still happy with the prices I supply. I feel I can do these prices so cheaply due to several reasons that are just too long to write down here"

You have a 'Professional' there giving you advice.

Could it be that people like myself know your pricing is far too cheap i.e. have reservations as to your ability/capability of doing their research?

The words 'too good to be true' come to mind which may well put people off & I apologise but that is my true opinion which you asked for.


Annie

Added....

I think you could do my tree cheaper than I could do it myself, looking at your pricing.

I see

Thank you for your input

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Congratulations for attempting to turn your hobby into a business, it is hard work to do and many people I speak to in exactly your position do give up very quickly.

As someone working as a professional, perhaps I can give a little advice.

The first thing is to decide - are you looking to run a business to make a real income or are you charging for research to just to subsidise your own hobby, which many do, whether they acknowledge it or not ?

There are very few professional researchers who make a full time real living income from genealogy - most come to it as a second career and have a pension income, redundancy payment or an understanding partner to help support them. Those that do make good money are often earning a significant portion of that from teaching, giving talks and writing.

I was told when I started out that it takes about seven years for your name to get known in the business - and that may be a little exaggerated but it does take a lot of time to build up a client base and a reputation - much work will come from recommendations and word of mouth so you need to stick at it.

Consider joining a professional body - you sound like a perfect candidate to join AGRA (www.agra.org.uk) as an associate - which will then give you access to like minded people in exactly your position who you can meet with and discuss your business and also get work referred from other members or through the AGRA website.

I have reviewed business plans from numerous new researchers and never seen  a monthly fee charging structure - but it is an innovative idea - but as pointed out by others you can only be earning pence per hour at the rate you are asking. I can assure you there are plenty of people out there willing to pay at least £20 per hour for good research work - and many researchers charge substantially more than that. Clients are paying for your time and expert knowledge but you also need to factor in all your costs - certificates, IT equipment, subscriptions, travelling, copying, printing, insurance etc.  to work out what you should really be charging. And don't forget you pay tax on the income (profit) you make as well !

The growth and ease of internet based research means that not many people these days are willing to pay to "have their family tree done". There are still a few around  but most clients who come to a professional are actually people who have done a fair amount of research themselves and have got stuck, or who want someone with specialist knowledge, or someone to visit an archive to look at original documents, the majority of which despite common belief are not available anywhere online. I also spend quite a lot of time unravelling existing research that has gone badly wrong (usually due to online research !) before I can even start to take things further back.

You need to know the holdings and workings of your local archives inside out and to see if there are any areas you can potentially specialise in - but don't take on work you are not qualified or competent to do. Many new researchers are quick to take on any project that comes their way even if it is way outside their expertise and knowledge which doesn't help them in the long run.

The Society of Genealogists also have a series of talks through the year loosely categorised as "Careers  in Genealogy" and there is one next Saturday on becoming a professional genealogist  which I found very useful when I started planning my business.

Good luck and please PM me if you need more advice.

I'm definitely wanting to make real income from this. I do want this to be my profession. I'm still happy with the prices I supply. I feel I can do these prices so cheaply due to several reasons that are just too long to write down here. I'll check out the website. Thank you

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The Common Room / Re: Working as a Genealogist
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 10:43 BST (UK)  »
£35 to £50 a month sounds incredibly cheap to me, most charge that per hour! How many hours work do you put in during that month and does it include the cost of certificates or your visits to record offices?

I put in 8 hours of work a day. Apart from Saturday where I'm too busy to do any work. I wanted to create a business where it's more acceptable for even younger people can look into their tree. As I can't say I know many people that can afford paying out at least £20/hr. My prices include visits to record offices, Archives. A customer also asked me about if It was possible for me to trace where their ancestors were buried so I now go hunting for that as well now.

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