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Canada / Re: Edgar Thorndike of Ilderton Ontario
« on: Monday 08 February 16 19:25 GMT (UK)  »
I find it remarkable that Ellen and Susan made it back to England at all.  Where, one wonders, did she get the money for the fares?  Very few people returned, compared to the number who came. 
I presume her father must have paid for the ticket as it doesn't seem that Edgar would have.  To me, this suggests she was destitute and/or desperate to leave.  The absence of the 2 children suggests death was more likely than desertion, although desertion was certainly not all that unusual.  A deserter husband might show up in another province, further west, or in the US, as those were the usual directions in which they would move.  (One of mine, from Ontario, went to Manitoba and married there and became a "respectable citizen" with a glowing obit while his wife was living in Ontario with her parents, not divorced.  His first wife outlived him. )
Children likely in unmarked grave, possibly not recorded, but could be in burial records for the cemetery in question.  Try local funeral homes for names of cemetery contacts if you can't find them elsewhere.  Often, for the rural cemeteries, the burial records are held by local individuals and may go back a long way.   

Littlewood cemetery seems the most likely.  You could ask the library for a look-up, but may not find anyone listed if no marker.  I would then try the Harris Funeral Home in London, Ontario for a contact person who would have the burial records, as they are in the north end of the city, closest to Ilderton. info@harrisfuneralhome.ca

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Nazis in pre-war London, 1930-1939 : the fate and role of German party members and British sympathizers.  by Barnes, James J. and Barnes, Patience P.   (Brighton, England; Portland, OR: Sussex Academic Press, 2005.)   283p.
Calling on previously unpublished German documents, this study reveals the fate of German diplomats, journalists, and professionals, many of whom were interned in Britain or deported to Nazi Germany once war broke out in September 1939. An appendix listing the details concerning the nearly 400 German party members and Nazi journalists who spent time in Britain prior to the war, is also included.

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Europe Resources & Offers / Re: World War 1 internments in UK - bibliography
« on: Thursday 31 December 15 10:14 GMT (UK)  »
Additions to Bibliography:

Dewey, Peter.  Farm labour in wartime: the relationship between agricultural labour supply and food production in Great Britain during 1914-1918, with international comparisons, University of Reading, 1978.  (internees were sometimes employed as farm labourers.)

United States Foreign Office (ed.). Correspondence between His Majesty's government and the United States ambassador respecting the treatment of German prisoners of war and interned civilians in the United Kingdom, London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1915.

United States Legation (Great Britain) (ed.).  Reports of visits of inspection made by officials of the United States Embassy to various internment camps in the United Kingdom.  London: H.M. Stationary Office, 1916.

Paterson, Sarah.  Tracing Your Prisoner of War Ancestors:  The First World War, a Guide for Family Historians.  Barnsley, South Yorkshire:  Pen & Sword, in association with the Imperial War Museum, 2012.  The author has worked at the Imperial War Museum for some time.  This book covers both military and civilian internees.  See especially chapter 10 and Appendices.  Appendix 8 contains a 23-page list of known internment camps in the UK, although details are very sparse.  These named camps may have held military and/or civilian internees.
Includes a few references and/or quotes in relation to specific internees:
Mustafa Mehmed (letter),
George Kenner (ID card with photo, plus a lot of other info),
Julius Bloom,
Harry Hermes,
Benj Cseh,
Carl Hans Stielow.



Some highlights from Paterson's book:

The Times, 17 Jan 1919, page not stated:  a list of 259 persons who had been exempted from repatriation or internment.  I presume, but am not sure, that, at this late date in the war, they had probably been previously interned and were only now being exempted after due process and investigation.

Barry Chinchen.  "Aliens, Internees and Prisoners of War in the UK, 1914-1920".  This is a folder containing copies of relevant material.  I believe it is held at IWM, but not sure.

Society of Friends library - presumably in London - appears to have numerous archival items.

British Red Cross Archives - presumably in London;  different holdings than ICRC.




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Canada / Re: Where is the cemetery in the Majestic area of Alberta?
« on: Thursday 31 December 15 09:51 GMT (UK)  »
Did you get anywhere with Medicine Hat Archives?
Alberta Provincial Archives in Edmonton also may be useful.
Also Glenbow Archives, in Calgary, are extensive.  http://www.glenbow.org/collections/search/
CPR Archives are in Montreal.

If it were me, I would still want to look at that Tweedsmuir history (Women's Institute).  Those histories are extremely idiosyncratic and you never know what you are going to find in them.  Indexing may not be comprehensive. You might be able to get it on interlibrary loan, particularly if it has been microfilmed.
In Ontario at least, the Tweedsmuir histories have been microfilmed together as a collection,so you might search under that word or ask your local librarian to look into it.

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The Common Room / Re: FAMILY TREE MAKER to be discontinued!
« on: Thursday 31 December 15 09:24 GMT (UK)  »
I am not sure if this has been posted as I didn't have time to read all 12 pages of this thread, but it's pretty clear that the reason for this decision is that it's not profitable any more.  Therefore it will only be revived or extended if a profitable way is found.
http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/12/08/ancestry-to-retire-family-tree-maker-software/

Read the wikipedia article about ancestry.com for some remarkable facts about its history and business if you are interested.  This is a very big business.

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The Common Room / Re: Alternative sources
« on: Thursday 31 December 15 08:58 GMT (UK)  »
I have used some cemetery records, but find they are highly variable in quality, location and availability.  Some charge (exorbitantly) for the info.  Some are held onsite, some digital, some old paper, some in municipal offices, some in someone's home.

At one cemetery in Ontario, I was advised by the fellow living on an adjoining property that I should contact so-and-so, who would come over and open the records for me.  This would not take long, I was assured, as he lived down the street. 

Said keeper arrived, walking slowly and seemingly in pain, and opened up his little office/hut, where all the burial records were still kept, going back to the beginning in mid-19thC although the earliest ones had never been kept.  They were the only copies, so, if that little hut burned down on Hallowe'en, well, too bad.

He found most of what I was looking for, but one grave remained problematic as it was not clear how many people were buried there and one person we wanted was missing.

No problem.  He got out his dowsing rod and we all trooped over to the grave in question.  Problem solved.

He says he often uses his dowsing rod when it is not clear where precisely a new grave should be dug in order not to disturb the existing ones.  He finds this very reliable, but says it doesn't work for everyone. It's a gift, he told us - one we were grateful for!.

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 Register up and running (Part 2)
« on: Thursday 05 November 15 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
There are obviously a ton of errors to be addressed.
Do people think this is an indexing issue or an (old) transcribing issue?
I'm still having trouble figuring out how my grandparents and presumably their children whom I can't see came to be listed under the (unrelated) next door neighbours' surname.
Sorry for the confusion.  This has probably been addressed somewhere already.
It seems hard to justify such a high prevalence of fairly major errors.

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 Register up and running (Part 2)
« on: Thursday 05 November 15 10:43 GMT (UK)  »
PS

I don't have a subscription to Findmypast and don't want to keep paying for credits or take a subscription out. Is it possible to view these somewhere for free such as TNA, the library, or Society of Genealogists?

You can view for free at TNA. If you aren't going imminently, then see the bottom of my reply here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734467.msg5799121#msg5799121

So, does this mean they haven't destroyed the originals yet?

I'm also trying to envision how they would let you look at one side of the page without seeing the other.  I suppose there must be a way.

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Canada / Re: TAYLOR, KING Orono, Ontario
« on: Thursday 05 November 15 07:00 GMT (UK)  »
Suggest you go to www.ourontario.ca and search the newspapers for Orono and Bowmanville. 
 
You could also try the Clarington Public Library if you are in the area - they may have additional materials onsite.  You could also try asking the library directly.  You never know what they might have in a clippings file or local history book.http://www.clarington-library.on.ca/

The Bowmanville branch of the library is offering a session on genealogy and local resources Monday Nov 9,  7:30pm.

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