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Dublin / Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« on: Thursday 31 January 19 17:39 GMT (UK) »
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Limerick / Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
« on: Sunday 20 January 19 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Prior to this, the house at Rathkeale Abbey was owned by Jonas Leake (1708_1762) married to Mary Yeamans
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Dublin / Re: Lady Ann of Clontarf?
« on: Monday 07 January 19 23:13 GMT (UK) »
These are the Raford Daly's. Michael Daly(d. 1808) and whose will is in this thread, was the second son, so, didn't inherit Raford. Michael owned quite a bit of land, but his principal residences were Mt. Pleasant, which is overlooking the lake in Loughrea, Galway, and Tokay Lodge, which appears to be part of Phoenix Park, Dublin, or just on the edge.
His first wife died in 1797. A year before his death, he married a Mary Kelly, and he gave her a life interest in two of his properties, Hollyhill and Ballydavid. These are both about 4 miles SE of Loughrea town. I wonder if the Kelly suing is the second wife's son or relative?
Yesterday, I found a book discussing these two properties and written in the 1850s. It stated Hollyhill was the residence of a P. Kelly, and Ballydavid was the residence of A. Gore Daly. The P.Kelly is likely a relative of the second wife. The A. Gore Daly was a shocker, because there was never any reference to such a person in my research on this family.
This led to various clues to that will hopefully move the ball forward for me and your Sutherlands.
A. Gore Daly is short for Arthur Gore Daly. So he probably went by the first name Gore. He died in 1863 at about 67 years old.
There was a marriage of a Gore Daly and a Hamilton Lamy Dec 17, 1792 in Dundee, Scotland. She was baptised May 17, 1770 in Eassie and Nevay, Scotland to John Ramsay Lamy and Agnes Hamilton. The formal family name is Ramsay L'Amy and are listed as minor gentry.
There is a death in Ballinasoe, Galway, for perhaps this Gore Daly Sr. in 1803. I think this is a candidate for the father of Katherine Sutherland. The senior branch of the Raford Daly's where residing in Scotland at the time (Portpatrick), so maybe too many Denis's. Denis Gore Daly.
There is a Hamilton Daly baptised in Cork City in 1817 to John Daly and Ellen Sullivan.
A week before he died in 1863, A. Gore Daly converted to Catholicism. A big sardonic article in the Dublin paper on this. About 10 priests and bishops participated in the funeral.
His will's primary beneficiary was Jane Amelia Daly(wife? sister?). She died in Dublin in 1868. Born approx. 1805. Her primary beneficiary was Ann Marie Daly.
A notice was posted in the Dublin newspaper after Arthur Gore Daly's death, stating his sister Julia, of New York City was applying to be administrator. Apparently, he had resided in the USA, but nobody had seen hide nor hair of his. He went home.
There is an Arthur Gore Daly who died in San Francisco in the early 1900s. Possibly his grandson.
In India, there was a Catherine Sutherland, wife of Sgt. John Sutherland, who died in 1820. There is a Capt. John Sutherland who died in India in 1840. There is a Catherine Sophia Sutherland who married someone in India in 1847. There are a number of other Sophia Sutherlands in India.
I descend from Daly's/Kelly's from Galway, so this lawsuit has always interested me, but we were Catholic and sea captains. But it is getting more plausible.
There is a William L'Amy Daly born 1799 in Ballinasloe , who become an assitant surgeon in the Navy and who married and stayed in South Africa.
I am looking a Timothy and a Denis. Sea captains. If they descend from Gore Daly who died in 1803, they might have had to move to the coast. Whatever happened to Hamilton L'amy Daly?
Or perhaps Michael Daly had some children by Mary Kelly in the decade after Joanna Gore's death. In which case, I may revive this lawsuit.
Anyways, why don't you post a picture of Lady Ann? We would love to see her.
His first wife died in 1797. A year before his death, he married a Mary Kelly, and he gave her a life interest in two of his properties, Hollyhill and Ballydavid. These are both about 4 miles SE of Loughrea town. I wonder if the Kelly suing is the second wife's son or relative?
Yesterday, I found a book discussing these two properties and written in the 1850s. It stated Hollyhill was the residence of a P. Kelly, and Ballydavid was the residence of A. Gore Daly. The P.Kelly is likely a relative of the second wife. The A. Gore Daly was a shocker, because there was never any reference to such a person in my research on this family.
This led to various clues to that will hopefully move the ball forward for me and your Sutherlands.
A. Gore Daly is short for Arthur Gore Daly. So he probably went by the first name Gore. He died in 1863 at about 67 years old.
There was a marriage of a Gore Daly and a Hamilton Lamy Dec 17, 1792 in Dundee, Scotland. She was baptised May 17, 1770 in Eassie and Nevay, Scotland to John Ramsay Lamy and Agnes Hamilton. The formal family name is Ramsay L'Amy and are listed as minor gentry.
There is a death in Ballinasoe, Galway, for perhaps this Gore Daly Sr. in 1803. I think this is a candidate for the father of Katherine Sutherland. The senior branch of the Raford Daly's where residing in Scotland at the time (Portpatrick), so maybe too many Denis's. Denis Gore Daly.
There is a Hamilton Daly baptised in Cork City in 1817 to John Daly and Ellen Sullivan.
A week before he died in 1863, A. Gore Daly converted to Catholicism. A big sardonic article in the Dublin paper on this. About 10 priests and bishops participated in the funeral.
His will's primary beneficiary was Jane Amelia Daly(wife? sister?). She died in Dublin in 1868. Born approx. 1805. Her primary beneficiary was Ann Marie Daly.
A notice was posted in the Dublin newspaper after Arthur Gore Daly's death, stating his sister Julia, of New York City was applying to be administrator. Apparently, he had resided in the USA, but nobody had seen hide nor hair of his. He went home.
There is an Arthur Gore Daly who died in San Francisco in the early 1900s. Possibly his grandson.
In India, there was a Catherine Sutherland, wife of Sgt. John Sutherland, who died in 1820. There is a Capt. John Sutherland who died in India in 1840. There is a Catherine Sophia Sutherland who married someone in India in 1847. There are a number of other Sophia Sutherlands in India.
I descend from Daly's/Kelly's from Galway, so this lawsuit has always interested me, but we were Catholic and sea captains. But it is getting more plausible.
There is a William L'Amy Daly born 1799 in Ballinasloe , who become an assitant surgeon in the Navy and who married and stayed in South Africa.
I am looking a Timothy and a Denis. Sea captains. If they descend from Gore Daly who died in 1803, they might have had to move to the coast. Whatever happened to Hamilton L'amy Daly?
Or perhaps Michael Daly had some children by Mary Kelly in the decade after Joanna Gore's death. In which case, I may revive this lawsuit.
Anyways, why don't you post a picture of Lady Ann? We would love to see her.
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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Descendants of Charles Gideon WINTER?
« on: Friday 04 January 19 20:13 GMT (UK) »
The names outlined in this thread are very similar to a Winter family I have been looking at. Not directly the same family, but quite possibly related, so perhaps clues.
Charles Winter(1813-1894) married Emily Dorcas Gethin Norcott(1813-1902). She was of a landed gentry family from Buttevant, Cork, Ireland. These Norcott's had married in a few instances to Daly's of CastleDaly, Westmeath. Many of these Daly's went to Australia over time.
Most notably, there is a Noel Winter in this family. Noel was such a rare name in this time period that I think it is likely they are related to your Winter's.
Charles Winter(1813-1894) married Emily Dorcas Gethin Norcott(1813-1902). She was of a landed gentry family from Buttevant, Cork, Ireland. These Norcott's had married in a few instances to Daly's of CastleDaly, Westmeath. Many of these Daly's went to Australia over time.
Most notably, there is a Noel Winter in this family. Noel was such a rare name in this time period that I think it is likely they are related to your Winter's.
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Galway / Re: Charles Daly
« on: Friday 04 January 19 19:04 GMT (UK) »
Most of the Daly landed gentry descend from this guy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_%C3%93_Daly
Your family hadn't sunk so low, rather, you likely descend from a second, third, or fourth son down the 10 generations from Dermot Daly. These fellows had to make their own way in the world.
There are some clues regarding the Birkenhead. It was transporting troops from the 74th regiment of Highlanders. Left Portsmouth, England and picked up more troops in Cork, Ireland. I would check the muster rolls for this regiment. Maybe Charles had joined the army, or his father had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_%C3%93_Daly
Your family hadn't sunk so low, rather, you likely descend from a second, third, or fourth son down the 10 generations from Dermot Daly. These fellows had to make their own way in the world.
There are some clues regarding the Birkenhead. It was transporting troops from the 74th regiment of Highlanders. Left Portsmouth, England and picked up more troops in Cork, Ireland. I would check the muster rolls for this regiment. Maybe Charles had joined the army, or his father had.
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Galway / Re: Charles Daly
« on: Friday 04 January 19 08:40 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I had looked at this couple's records earlier this week and was going by memory. They were married in Dublin in 1833. He died in 1848 intestate. She remarried to Thomas Woods in 1850. These are listed in the Dublin indexes on Ancestry. There are a few ancestry trees that don't list Charles. The other children appear to have emmigrated to NZ/AUS.
The Earle's of Clanricharde were the Burke family(deBurgh). A very long history with the Daly's. Their primary residence was Portumna Castle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portumna_Castle
It ceased being a residence in 1828, which may explain why Martin George ended up in Dublin. I would guess you descend from the Raford or Dunsandle Daly's.
The Earle's of Clanricharde were the Burke family(deBurgh). A very long history with the Daly's. Their primary residence was Portumna Castle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portumna_Castle
It ceased being a residence in 1828, which may explain why Martin George ended up in Dublin. I would guess you descend from the Raford or Dunsandle Daly's.
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Galway / Re: Charles Daly
« on: Friday 04 January 19 04:24 GMT (UK) »
A Martin George Daly married a Rachel Yates in Dublin around 1820 He died in 1848. She remarried a Thomas Woods shortly thereafter. They can be found in the 1851 census on Preston Lancashire along with perhaps younger siblings of your Charles.
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London and Middlesex / Re: Hon. Robert Daly and servants
« on: Sunday 07 October 18 05:40 BST (UK) »
Likely his uncle....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Daly_(bishop)
I have been researching the Dunsandle Daly's who were protestant.
I have also been researching the Newcastle on Tyne Daly's, whom I believe were Catholic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Daly_(bishop)
I have been researching the Dunsandle Daly's who were protestant.
I have also been researching the Newcastle on Tyne Daly's, whom I believe were Catholic.