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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Friday 05 May 17 21:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi Monica,

Just come across this on the Maxwell site. I wonder whether it would be worth pursuing ?

Do you know what sort of detail is usually provided in this type of record ? Would the child's name be mentioned ?

Pursuer   Jean Henderson, Lockerbie
Defender   Francis McGlasson, son of and residing with John McGlasson, Innkeeper, Lockerbie
Year of Child's Birth   1856
Year Extract Isssued   1857
Sheriff Court   Dumfries
County   Dumfriesshire
NRS Reference   SC15/7/31 p. 274

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Friday 05 May 17 21:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Monica,

Thanks for the links, and apologies for the mistake in my last post. It should have been Andrew Davidson, who was recorded as a general labourer.

Steve

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Friday 05 May 17 20:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Monica and Dorrie, for your assistance.

It is indeed a mystery, and the fact that she gave 5 different marriage dates when registering her children's births makes me wonder what was going on.

Would it have been possible or not unusual at this time in Scotland, for couples to be unmarried ?

I even checked a birth of an Elisabeth Brown Henderson in Ruthwell in 1963, but again her mother's name didn't match - aside from the fact that if it was the right person, she'd have only been 14 when her first child was born!

It's very difficult when the only known details are a mother's name of Jeannie Henderson (I assume this could also be Jean or Jane) and the implied birth dates from the census returns and death certificate.

If Elizabeth was born illegitimately, could there have been any paternity cases brought ? If so, do you know how I would be able to track down these records ?

My only other angle is the names of Simon Davidson and Jeannie Davidson m.s. Henderson that are given as parents on Elizabeth's death record. But I have no idea of when or where they might have married.

Steve


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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Thursday 04 May 17 20:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Karen,

Thanks for the response.

I did trace the 1879 Kinning Park marriage, but unfortunately the ages and parents name didn't match.

In this marriage William was stated to be 37, whereas the William Walker from Annan would have been 22 (confirmed from birth record). Elizabeth was stated to be 33, whereas Elizabeth Henderson from Ruthwell or Annan would have been around 22-24 if the other documents are to be believed.

I am on Ancestry - same user name as here and have a public tree. Joseph and Amos Walker are two of William and Elizabeth's sons.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Thursday 04 May 17 19:28 BST (UK)  »
I forgot to add that the informant of the death of Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson was her son William John Walker who would have been about 26 at the time.

The maiden surname on the death record matches to that on the children's birth records, and I'm working on the assumption that Elizabeth's mother married at some point after she was born, with Andrew Davidson being her step father.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Thursday 04 May 17 19:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Monica and Dorrie,

Thanks for the welcome.

Yes, I have looked at the birth records of the children and the mother's maiden surname is stated to be Henderson.

The current problem is finding the birth of Elizabeth Henderson or her marriage to William Walker.

On the children's birth records various dates are given for the marriage -

28th April 1876, Annan
May 1867, Annan
May 1876, Annan
August 1871, Annan
September 1879, Annan

Unfortunately none of these bear any fruit. The only marriage of a William Walker and an Elizabeth (or variant name) Henderson that I could find anywhere was the 1879 one I mentioned in my post which doesn't match to the other facts.

Their first child was born in 1877.

I did look across the border as well, as some of the Walker ancestors were from Cumberland - but no luck there either  :(

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Dumfriesshire / Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« on: Thursday 04 May 17 17:33 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping that I may be able to get some help or guidance regarding a particular brick wall concerning my great great grandmother.

She is shown in the 1881 and 1891 censuses as Elizabeth Walker, the wife of William Walker a fisherman, in Butts Street, Annan. In 1881 she is stated to be 24 and born in Ruthwell. In 1891 she is stated to be 35 and born in Annan.

In the 1901 census she is shown, along with her family, at Johnstone's Place, Scott Street, Annan, where she is said to be 44 and born in Ruthwell.

I have traced the birth records of the various children shown in the census records, and their mother's maiden surname is said to be Henderson.

Death records show that Elizabeth Walker died on 22nd January 1916, aged 61, at 12 Queensbury Street, Annan. Her parents were given as Andrew Davidson and Jeanie Davidson M.S. Henderson (both deceased). Presumably Andrew Davidson was a step father and Elizabeth was born illegitimately ?

The implied birth year from the census returns and death record is between 1855 and 1857.

However I'm unable to trace a birth in Ruthwell or Annan around this time for an Elizabeth Henderson.

Neither can I find a marriage record for William Walker and Elizabeth Henderson which matches to the known facts. The only one I can find is in 1879 in Kinning Park, Lanarkshire, where William Walker is 37, Elizabeth Henderson is 33, and their parent details don't match to what I know on either side.

The marriage of Andrew Davidson and Jeanie Henderson is also a mystery.

If anyone has any thoughts or guidance to help me with this branch of my family, I'd be very grateful.

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