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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Bay family Document help
« on: Thursday 07 March 19 03:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello, is there anyone with a keen eye who could possibly make out these cursive words? I would appreciate it so very much. Thank you!
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 11:45 GMT (UK) »Who knows. Your scenario may be right.
What leads you to believe that John is entitled to a Coat of Arms?
Added: I see from the transcription above, that his forename is “Jo” .... Are you sure his name is John, or could it be Joseph, or Jonathan?
Added: A google search throws up quite a bit of information related to John Graunt. I am currently on my ipad so searching is a bit tricky, but it seems there was quite a trade in transporting servants from London to America, so it may be that that is John’s reason for going to America. Seems it was slavery of sorts: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nae/ (from what you wrote it seems you probably already know that).
I came across a John Graunt as well. It ended up up being a different John Graunt.
The John graunt who was Merchant and shipmaster out of London master of the ship 'Safety' died the same year he arrived to Norfolk Virginia colony with my ancestor John Bay 1635 there was some sort of a sickness going around and several ship captains passed away upon arrival to the colonies that same year.
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 11:41 GMT (UK) »
I only assumed that he was entitled a Coat Of Arms, based of off what I've researched and read especially in Sir Thomas Banks work "Extinct and Dormant Peerages of England". Also reading about the lineage of The Barony of Bayeux and The Viscounts of Bay. The word Bayeux became Bay when the English language became dominant over Latin and French.
Originating from an Ancient Norse bloodline that married into an ancient Celtic Breton bloodline in the British Isles: the daughter of Alan De Lincoln and the daughter of Robert De Romilly. In the 1100s AD.
There's considerable pedigrees and Coats of Arms for the family spelling its name Bay as derived from Bayeux. Known in the beginning of the Feudal period in Great Britain (12th century) as the Barons De Bayeux.
There are separate Coats of Arms for
Ranulf VII and his decendants:
Bay of Bradden
Bay of Berkshire
Also granted Coats of Arms were the lineage of a Bay family: Earls of Chester and William De Bay Lord of Copeland.
Cadet branches of the family
Bay of Dorsetshire
Suspirius De Bay II of Clapham and Aylesthorpe.
Robert De Bay of Bradwell
Sir Thomas De Bay, Knight
Ikham, Kent (died 1339)
Bay of Careby
Bay of Lynwood
Robert de Bay of Bradwell
Bay of Somerset
Bay of Yorkshire
Bay of Tealby
Bay of Covington
But my ancestral composition of my DNA points to ancient Western Scotland or Ireland. Most likely the Very ancient sea-kingdom of Dalraida. The Kingdom of Dalriada included Western Scotland and Northern Ireland. I don't know. I guess my goal here at the moment is trying to connect my oldest known direct paternal ancestor to one of these specific and separate Bay Family lineages.
Originating from an Ancient Norse bloodline that married into an ancient Celtic Breton bloodline in the British Isles: the daughter of Alan De Lincoln and the daughter of Robert De Romilly. In the 1100s AD.
There's considerable pedigrees and Coats of Arms for the family spelling its name Bay as derived from Bayeux. Known in the beginning of the Feudal period in Great Britain (12th century) as the Barons De Bayeux.
There are separate Coats of Arms for
Ranulf VII and his decendants:
Bay of Bradden
Bay of Berkshire
Also granted Coats of Arms were the lineage of a Bay family: Earls of Chester and William De Bay Lord of Copeland.
Cadet branches of the family
Bay of Dorsetshire
Suspirius De Bay II of Clapham and Aylesthorpe.
Robert De Bay of Bradwell
Sir Thomas De Bay, Knight
Ikham, Kent (died 1339)
Bay of Careby
Bay of Lynwood
Robert de Bay of Bradwell
Bay of Somerset
Bay of Yorkshire
Bay of Tealby
Bay of Covington
But my ancestral composition of my DNA points to ancient Western Scotland or Ireland. Most likely the Very ancient sea-kingdom of Dalraida. The Kingdom of Dalriada included Western Scotland and Northern Ireland. I don't know. I guess my goal here at the moment is trying to connect my oldest known direct paternal ancestor to one of these specific and separate Bay Family lineages.
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 06:00 GMT (UK) »It is the end of the day and the brain is not working at peak, but here are a few thoughts.from what I have read there were a few ways someone at the age of sixteen could find themselves indentured in the colony. Typically not by choice.
Do you know who else was on board the ship and where they came from? Did they all have the same set of political or religious beliefs, e.g., Puritans, Royalists, etc? Could either aspect narrow down John's origin in the British Isles?
Was John Bay traveling with anyone? I guess 16 wouldn't have seemed as young back than as now, but it seems young to be traveling by himself. If not, was he part of the crew?
Would someone from Glasgow or Dublin have to go to Gravesend to leave for the American colonies back then, or were there closer ports? Since he left from Gravesend, are the probabilities higher that your ancestor was from London?
Dumb but basic question: were the "way back" matches on men also named Bay/Bayes, etc? Our surname matches a few that are different, even though it was a y-DNA test.
And you might be into the realm of history rather than genealogy. I mean you might need to look for references in literature, historical writings, etc., for men named Bay in London, Dublin, and Glasgow. Court records? Parliamentary records? I don't know what is available.
Leaving at age 16, you probably wouldn't find John himself, but maybe a trace of the family. Any indication of their economic or social state?
Has anyone done a one name study of Bay?
Do you think John Bay was living in greater London, possibly his parents had died. John now an orphan on the streets of London or perhaps a town near Gravesend or in Gravesend its self, easily found himself subject to forced indentured? I've read even ship masters forced many into indentured servitude apon arrival to the Colonies the ship masters sold them for profit.
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 00:33 GMT (UK) »
Full list
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 00:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes I'm definitely trying to connect my Bay family line to one of the Bay Lines I've traced in the UK maybe you can hopefully find the coat laof arms.
Attached is the ship list
Attached is the ship list
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Tuesday 22 January 19 23:13 GMT (UK) »I presume you are therefore looking for John Bay's origins in the British Isles? Do you know anything about his family or origins from documents in America?
May I ask what sort of DNA test you took? Autosomal? Y-DNA? I
took a y DNA test I am f g c 20048 which is y 4171 or I L126. I know that he was eventually filed on a headright claim with a John Blackburn in 1642 the man that was claiming them name was William Eyers John Baydisappeared from records but his son John Bay appears in Baltimore Maryland First in the lower Patapsco hundred tax rolls next in the upper Patapsco hundred tax rolls I know that John Bay born 1619 he left Gravesend port 1635 on the ship safety*** Masters name was John graunt
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Dublin / Re: DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Tuesday 22 January 19 22:36 GMT (UK) »This is running slow for me so I did not explore many of your "Bay" and variant surnames in any depth:the significance of the Year 1635 is the Year John Bay left the Gravesend port for the colony of Virginia age 16
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Surnames.aspx
There are pages of "Bay" variants here but no "Bay". Bayes is mainly concentrated in the East Midlands. Distribution of surnames from the 1881 census so unlikely to be relevant for the era you are looking at.
What is the significance of the year of 1635?
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Dublin / DNA in genealogy surname Bay
« on: Tuesday 22 January 19 17:59 GMT (UK) »
23andMe updated my ancestry and stated that my DNA, compared to other 23andMe users ancestry was found in three Counties in Great Britain and Ireland in Ireland it was pinpointed to County Dublin in Scotland it was pinpointed to Glasgow City in an England it was pinpointed to greater London District. Does anybody know of any resources or have any good tips to find the surname Bay also possibly spelled baye Bayes Bays Bey in County Dublin prior to the year 1635 possible migration from County Dublin Ireland to Scotland or a migration from Dublin Ireland to England? Thank you