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Cambridgeshire Lookup Requests / John Franklin bap Eye, Northants in 1791
« on: Saturday 20 September 08 10:45 BST (UK)  »
My Franklin Family were all from the Peterborough area - mainly Newark, Eye and Eye Green.
I understand this was once in Northamptonshire, but is now in Cambridgeshire. I hope I am correct  :-\
This subject is recorded in IGI as being married to a "Catherine".  I am interested in his siblings and forbears if anyone can help.  I would particularly like to know the Church that held records for this area (the changes of County etc affecting Peterborough have gotten me confused) and whether the Parish records are available for lookups.
Thanks.

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Sorry. I should have told you that, in exasperation (or perhaps desperation) I ordered the birth certificate of Christopher Holland bn Dec 1843 at Birmingham this afternoon.   Others in the family give 'multiple or uncertain' responses - Christopher was unique in the BMD record for that time.
I am inclined to suspect that this couple were not married at all - not unprecedented as their youngest daughter, Mary Ellen had four illigit children - all given the surname of her 'partner' , before she eventually did marry him - some 14 years afterwards :-\  Her only ligit child, my Grandmother, was given away at birth, which perhaps says more about them than words ever could >:(

I did a surname by surname check in the 1841 census but nothing certain (even remotely) was uncovered ???
I think I will defer any further searches on these until the B cert comes back.

Thanks for your efforts.  I will keep you in touch - after all I may need an alternative surname search for Bungay ::)

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 16:26 BST (UK)  »
I am extremely grateful for your efforts. Thank you for taking the trouble that you have.  Should I ever b e able to reciprocate please contact me.
 At least I can now discount that from my inquiries.  Thank you so much.   Now - back to the hunt !!   ;D

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: William HOLLAND b Lewes, Sussex Abt 1812-15
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 15:58 BST (UK)  »
To save repeating it, would you see the Suffolk board.  I can't see how that one is possibly connected.  Am I missing something?? ??? ???

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 15:56 BST (UK)  »
Just checked that one. I cannot see how he/they can possibly be connected to my query.  Am I missing something?
How can his young son be attributable to him?  There has never been a son John in the family and the subject is far too young and born in the wrong place.
The only things that fits is that his father was a cutler.  According to that the subject was a painter!!
Have I got it wrong!!  I am now more confused than before.
The FACTS are that William |Holland stated (on more than one occasion) that he was born in Lewes.  Dates vary, but 1815 can be bracketed.
His WIFE was called Bridget who repeatedly said she was born in Bungay. Again 1820 can be bracketed.
His KNOWN children are ELIZABETH, Born at Derby in 1844; Margaret born in Birmingham in 1849; Bridget born in Birmingham in 1852; Christopher, born at Derby in 1853; Daniel born in Birmingham in 1855 and Mary (Mary Ellen on her wedding, death and youngest daughters birth certificates) born in Birmingham in 1859.  (All dates are approx.)

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: William HOLLAND b Lewes, Sussex Abt 1812-15
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 14:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sillgen on Thursday 18 September 08 14:05 BST (UK)
Hi
Now that the family, including William, have been found in 1851 - see your post on the Suffolk board - it does put a rather different complexion on things.    Particularly the date of the marriage so that the "relevant period" may have to be extended somewhat.  They may well have married pre 1837 as their son John is 13 in 1851.   William's occupation as Cutler in 1851 fits better with his later one as a traveller in hardware too.  I fear the "jeweller" may be a red herring.   Just as well you did not purchase that marriage certificate!  Lewes has quite a lot of churches - not just two.  It is the county town.
Andrea
Forgive my ignorance about Lewes. I mustn't have been thinking straight!!    Thanks for your efforts - more avenues to follow now!!

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 14:45 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: suffolk*sue on Thursday 18 September 08 12:13 BST (UK)
Thanks Andrea  ;D

For 1841 have found the following family in Yorkshire, but not at all sure as the William is a bit young and born in Ireland. BUT another Holland family member has the same occupation as William in 1851.
 ??? ???

HO107; Piece 1272; Book: 4;District: 8; Folio: 32; Page: 15;
Wakefield.
Thanks for that.  I will viewwq it & get back to you if necessary.  I think I will leave the link open for now - just in case.
Thanks again.

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 14:43 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sillgen on Thursday 18 September 08 11:43 BST (UK)
Well done Sue.  I failed to find them together in 1851 when I looked a couple of days ago.  That puts the cat among the pigeons as in Toshanco's other post about this family the assumption is that William is away from home on the 1851.  I did query why he was shown as unmarried.  It also gives earlier children so the marriage may be much earlier than 1842.  Lots of new avenues to explore.
Andrea
Thanks very much for your time & trouble.  More avenues now to explore.  As you say, it puts a completely different light on the subject.
I will leave this open for now.

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Suffolk / Re: Bridget HOYLAND b Abt 1819 Bungay
« on: Thursday 18 September 08 10:52 BST (UK)  »
That is a possibility of course, but I would suggest that it is fairly unlikely (but not impossible) as she was only 22 years old.
My research indicates that Bungay was something of a centre for itinerant workers and (to be confirmed) there was a regular 'Horse fair' held there.  That may give a reason for her to be born there.
If she was a traveller, which is a distinct possibility, she may not even have been 'churched', but a PR look-up should resolve that particular question.
I take it that you do not hold any relevant PR's?  If that is so, could you identify someone who does have access to them please.
HOYLAND is an uncommon name.  There are many recorded in mid to North Derbyshire in the early 1800's.  Most seem to have been itinerant types - horse dealers etc.
I believe the name originasted in Ireland.  Many appear in the Cork area.
It may also be an incorrect spelling of Ireland (say it with an Irish accent & you will see how it could be mistaken phonetically).  It is also possible, but less likely, to derive from the name HOLLAND.

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