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Anglesey / Re: Plot lay-out for Maeshyfryd Cemetery in Holyhead
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 17:24 BST (UK) »
Should have added that, according to their website, they charge £30 for the service ...
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Anglesey / Re: Plot lay-out for Maeshyfryd Cemetery in Holyhead
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 17:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Pauline, I'll bear that in mind when I next visit (whenever that may be!). 
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Anglesey / Plot lay-out for Maeshyfryd Cemetery in Holyhead
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 17:16 BST (UK) »
Hi
Research carried out some years ago revealed that my great-grandfather, John Rich (1855-1902) was apparently buried in Plot 244 of Section B of Maeshyfryd Cemetery.
However, on visiting the cemetery in person, I found the grave to be unmarked except for a small piece of stone lying flat, possibly face down. Incongruously, all the graves around it appeared to be dated around 1929, so it is possible I have the wrong location.
Does anyone have any information on how the cemetery is divided up and, if possible, where John Rich may really be buried? (Incidentally, the grave of his son, also John (1895-1945) is very close by, just to the east of the Thetis memorial.)
Grateful for any help you can give.
Amlodhi
Research carried out some years ago revealed that my great-grandfather, John Rich (1855-1902) was apparently buried in Plot 244 of Section B of Maeshyfryd Cemetery.
However, on visiting the cemetery in person, I found the grave to be unmarked except for a small piece of stone lying flat, possibly face down. Incongruously, all the graves around it appeared to be dated around 1929, so it is possible I have the wrong location.
Does anyone have any information on how the cemetery is divided up and, if possible, where John Rich may really be buried? (Incidentally, the grave of his son, also John (1895-1945) is very close by, just to the east of the Thetis memorial.)
Grateful for any help you can give.
Amlodhi
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Sunday 11 May 14 16:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much indeed for that link, Jan - it clearly showed Jonas' age at death as 64. The age of Johans at death that year would have been 72 or so, arguably quite an error, even for those days. Given the naming convention as well, I think the John Rich born 1712 is the better of the two possibilities, although this must be investigated more fully at a later date. To further muddy the waters, I also found a couple of baptisms for Jonas Rich in Yorkshire ......
Using your link, I was also able to look at the original marriage entry for Jonas Rich on 31 March 1741, and there is an extra word next to his forename. Although almost totally illegible, it could just possibly be a J starting it, raising the possibility that it is another forename. I think I would need to view the original document with a magnifying glass in order to confirm or refute that. Have you had a look at it?
But thanks again for your help in this.
Using your link, I was also able to look at the original marriage entry for Jonas Rich on 31 March 1741, and there is an extra word next to his forename. Although almost totally illegible, it could just possibly be a J starting it, raising the possibility that it is another forename. I think I would need to view the original document with a magnifying glass in order to confirm or refute that. Have you had a look at it?
But thanks again for your help in this.
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Saturday 10 May 14 18:37 BST (UK) »
To Janfurness
Hi Jan - I've found another, possibly stronger, candidate for Jonas Rich (birth c 1709) on FreeReg - it is one John Rich, baptised in St Andrew's, Hingham on 20 November 1712. His father is recorded as being a John Rich as well, which follows the naming convention i have seen throughout almost all the Rich generations. Are there any records I could check to see if he moved from Hingham to Woodton?
Hi Jan - I've found another, possibly stronger, candidate for Jonas Rich (birth c 1709) on FreeReg - it is one John Rich, baptised in St Andrew's, Hingham on 20 November 1712. His father is recorded as being a John Rich as well, which follows the naming convention i have seen throughout almost all the Rich generations. Are there any records I could check to see if he moved from Hingham to Woodton?
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Wednesday 12 February 14 12:30 GMT (UK) »
A lot of interesting family histories here - no doubt that agricultural poverty hit East Anglia hard in the first half of C19, a result of cheaper wheat, etc, having started to be imported from the USA.
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Wednesday 08 January 14 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this, Jan - definitely a route to investigate. Interestingly, Jonas' name for his first four children was recorded as Jonas in parish records, but for his last two (both John) it was recorded as Jonah. Spelling was indeed cavalier, to say the least! The only downside of this is that, with naming traditions in those days, Johans' parents' names, Thomas and Martha, could reasonably be expected to figure in younger generations, but there is no mention of them in the Rich family.
As you say, it is something to check out more closely for that parish. But thanks again for your help.
Amlodhi
As you say, it is something to check out more closely for that parish. But thanks again for your help.
Amlodhi
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Wednesday 08 January 14 10:12 GMT (UK) »
That's extremely kind of you Bendywendy.
As you will have read, I can find no trace of the birth of Jonas Rich. His marriage in 1741 to Mary Buxton in Woodton is there, as is his death, also in Woodton, in 1773. But no birth. The parish register records his age at death as 64, giving the year of birth as c 1709.
I hope at some stage this year to get back to Norwich and visit the Records Office (I live in SW London), but no idea when as yet due to other family considerations. In the meantime, if you are able to devote a little time to looking for Jonas (and any forebears if they become apparent), I'd be very grateful.
Kind regards
Amlodhi
As you will have read, I can find no trace of the birth of Jonas Rich. His marriage in 1741 to Mary Buxton in Woodton is there, as is his death, also in Woodton, in 1773. But no birth. The parish register records his age at death as 64, giving the year of birth as c 1709.
I hope at some stage this year to get back to Norwich and visit the Records Office (I live in SW London), but no idea when as yet due to other family considerations. In the meantime, if you are able to devote a little time to looking for Jonas (and any forebears if they become apparent), I'd be very grateful.
Kind regards
Amlodhi
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Norfolk / Re: How far did Norfolk labourers travel to find work?
« on: Tuesday 07 January 14 21:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this, Malcolm33. We’ll never know my G-grandfather’s thoughts, although he was undoubtedly happier in Holyhead with his wife, the poverty of his youth being way behind him. Sadly, married life didn’t last long as he was drowned in an accident in Holyhead harbour in 1902 - just 9 years into the marriage. But at least it lasted long enough to beget my grandfather (his own mother died in the Henstead Poorhouse in 1908 – whether he or she knew what became of each other will also never be known).
But your information on the Dutch in East Anglia is fascinating. My G-grandfather’s ancestor, born around 1709, was one Jonas Rich – not exactly an English name. I can find no record of his birth/baptism in any parish record, so it would seem he came from elsewhere. Could he possibly have been Dutch, or even German? Who knows!
I’ve only visited the Broads once so far – in 2009 - but I was sufficiently enchanted by them to want to go back. Hopefully I’ll manage it this year. I’ve managed to trace the Rich family to the villages of Woodton, Loddon and Surlingham (lots of the Rich family are buried in St Mary’s Church graveyard in the last). More research may uncover more.
But your information on the Dutch in East Anglia is fascinating. My G-grandfather’s ancestor, born around 1709, was one Jonas Rich – not exactly an English name. I can find no record of his birth/baptism in any parish record, so it would seem he came from elsewhere. Could he possibly have been Dutch, or even German? Who knows!
I’ve only visited the Broads once so far – in 2009 - but I was sufficiently enchanted by them to want to go back. Hopefully I’ll manage it this year. I’ve managed to trace the Rich family to the villages of Woodton, Loddon and Surlingham (lots of the Rich family are buried in St Mary’s Church graveyard in the last). More research may uncover more.