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thinking outside the square -
working on the principle that the Kay's had lived in the Manchester area from the early 1700's
Joseph Golding Kay c1821 Father was Joseph Kay married to Mary hope
Joseph Kay was a Silk Merchant so he would have had money
lets assume he had Golding in his name
lets assume his Father had money
then maybe his Father married a Golding
the Golding would have had money and most likely from a wealthy or important family who insisted the Golding stayed in the her children's name.
if this was the case then lets assume she was an only child - end of the Golding branch so her father insisted on the name living on.
so we could be looking for a wealthy Golding family with only one or more daughters living in mid to late 1700s
this might give us the connection we so badly need.
does anyone have a Kay married to a female with unknown surname (maybe Alice) before  1800 in their notes etc.
I know its a long shot
I have said Golding but we need to look at both spellings with or without the 'u'
I am convinced that Golding/Goulding has come into our name via a marriage rather than from an interpretation of occupation
Andrew

Many years ago I was doing some research for a friend who had the middle name "Broughton". We found proof that it had been added to the persons name in the early 1700's.The Earl had given it to him so he could be identified from others with the same name. From that period onwards "Broughton" had remained in the family name through every generation. The first to have "Broughton" in his name was not christened with it nor was it on the wedding certificate but it was registered on his death certificate. He had aquired "Broughton" after having gone to serve the Earl.
I mention this as it could be highly likely that Edward Denton Kay got the "Denton" in much the same way - to identify him from other local Edward Dentons. Which means the very first "Denton" might have it recorded on some documents but not on the Birth Certifiacate. It would have been common that even his family he would drop the Edward and have called him Denton Kay when talking about him. It would have been most unlikely for anyone to have called him Edward once the "Denton" had been added (except probable his Mother) so bear this in mind when doing further research.

Hi Imelda,

My father, Brian Kay would never talk about his side of the family, he was very bitter over the way his Father had been ripped off and sent us Bankrupt. He bought a thousand pounds of shares in a Welsh mine in 1929, that turned out to be worthless.
When I went through Brian's things after his death I was left with more mysteries than answers. One which I just ignored was the fact that there was some tarntan material with his papers and the other, which I have put in the too hard basket, is that although I knew his Father was a WW! pilot, I had not known that at some stage during WW1 he ended up back in the Army Service Corp, as a`private, driving an ambulance. How or why this happened I have no idea.
This was all kept very quiet as after the war he referred to himself as " Mr Harold Kay of Whitemoor ex WW! R.F.C. flyer and pilot with never a mention of the army. We have photographs of Harold in his flying uniform and standing by his plane.
Harold flew AVRO Bi planes bombing the German lines.He was promoted on a Kings Commission signed by King George V.promoting him to Lieutenant Frederic Harold Kay of the Royal Flying Corp. He was originally in the Army Service Corp but his talents were spottedand he went to the school of Aeronautics's at Hastings where he learnt to fly. He took part in the Battle of Ypres and was awarded three medals. Which we have and have his name on them.
OK so here is what I have on where this missing letters and docs went to - please remember this is from notes I made just before Brian Kay died.
Raymond Ousby of Musgrave was in regular contact with Eva re the family tree, in the 1960s.
Mary Collinson had written in great detail about the family from information by her Father William Collinson.
At this time Peter Collinson had started his research and got wind of Eva's collection of Victorian letters etc. He contacted Raymond and asked for these letters/documents from Eva to be sent to him.
What Raymond did was to hand copy the letters, which he then sent on to Peter while he, Raymond, kept the originals. That's how they went out of our side of the family.
I understood that from Peter they  passed to Brian Ousby.
Also I know that a lot of the original family tree was written on the back of Wall Paper.
There are other people that have bits of information that would help to unlock some mysteries but they are reluctant to pass any information on to me. I hope to sort this out on my visit to the UK in a few months. The trouble I am having is that people will only open up if they can trade information. All seems childish to me but ..........I must be missing something as I can't understand why people want to be so secret about their family tree's.
I have one very good lead to follow up on when I come to the UK in a few months, this person is very secretive, wants to remain anonymous but does seem to know a lot about my family. Only time will tell. I was coming to the UK for 22 weeks but due to unforeseen circumstances at this end I have had to cut it short to 6 weeks. What with commitments already made it does not leave me much time to hunt around for further clues.
Andrew

Can anyone confirm  the parents of Joseph Goulding Kay c1821 - 1893 (married to Rachel Smalley 1826 - 1906) are Samuel Kay c1791 - 1867 and Jane Edmundson c1776