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Hi

You have to look at the actual marriage register. The register should come up when Essex Record Office puts up the digitalised images of the registers

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,543364.0.html

or contact the local London archives. They will hold copies of the registers. Wanstead is in the London borough of Redbridge.

http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/leisure_and_libraries/culture/local_history_and_heritage/local_studies_and_archive.aspx


Essex baptism index for the baptisms of William and Margaret's children if you have not found them all or any (which if not found on this index will indicate they either didn't baptise their children or were non-conformist)

http://www.sturnidae.com/Essex/Baptisms.htm

Essex burial index might be useful for finding William Lorking senior's burial and therefore his age on burial which would give an approximated year of birth.

http://www.sturnidae.com/Essex/Burials.htm


Regards

Valda

Thanks for this.

I've decided not to give up on tracing more about William and Margaret Lorking.

The 1841 census suggests that both William and Margaret were born in 1796. The 1851 census confirms that Margaret was born in Guildford.

I can't find the baptisms of any of their children on familysearch - maybe they were non-conformist or worse still Catholic  (as later generations were!)

I have found this on ancestry though when trying to trace a death for William (I know that he was alive in May 1842 at the time of his daughter's marriage to William Tapley):

Name:    William Lorkin (from memory this is how his name was transcribed at the 1841 census)
[William Larkin]
Baptism Date:    22 Feb 1795
Parish:    St Nicholas, Plumstead
County:    Kent
Borough:    Greenwich
Parent(s):    William Lorkin,
Mary Lorkin
Record Type:    Baptism

This would make him born "out of county" for the 1841 census and the year is pretty close!
However the only possible death record I can find is this one:

Name:    William John Lorking
Date of Registration:    Apr-May-Jun 1846
Registration district:    Strand
Inferred County:    London
Volume:    1
Page:    281

This doesn't seem to fit as I can't find reference to him being William John Lorking anywhere.

Any bright ideas please?

Mike        

Lorking is a surname that appears a lot in the Kedington and Haverhill area of Suffolk. I have a Lorken Wallaker born in 1761 in Kedington. Could be Lorking is a family name.

Margaret Lorking may have ancestors from this part of Suffolk if you go back far enough.

I guess that this is possible.

We have managed o find out that both of Margaret's parents were born c. 1796. According the 1841 census, they were both born out of county (Essex) - later census returns show that her mother (also Margaret)was born in Guildford, Surrey - we do not know where her father was born as he cannot be found on subsequent census returns.

familysearch has identified just one possible marriage - in Wanstead, Essex in 1816. William Lorking to Margaret Cotten or Collen - but there is no way (I assume) of proving that this is the correct marriage or of confirming where William was born.

Any additional help would be much appreciated.

Mike

http://www.salforddiocesecemeteries.org/familyhistory.asp = this site does not work, they keep saying it will be soon but that is a bit like a scratched record now

People from all over Manchester and beyond were buried in St Joseph's being a dedicated Catholic cemetery

Like Luzzu says ring them with correct date.

Regards
ken

Thanks.

Having done some further exploration, we are beginning to think that he wasn't Catholic at all.

Any idea where he might be buried? He doesn't appear on the online Manchester Burial Website.

Mike

Hi


Can't help with Sarah - she's likely to be either a sister or sister-in-law, but could be an aunt or cousin. Were William's parents William and Mary Ann?

Women's occupations on marriage, particularly early marriages may not be included, as they often aren't for married women on censuses. Margaret would have given up her employment to marry. Man was the provider and it was not the thing to have a working wife, though many married women were working taking in laundry for instance. This often doesn't show on censuses.

If the marriage took place on a working day (any day but Sunday or a religious festival) then those present would have to give up time and money to travel to the church. Marriages were not the very expensive and long events (with receptions) they are today since time off work was usually required. The cost of the banns or a licence were costly enough for working people, so the event itself often in a London church where other marriages were all taking place on the same day, was by necessity a shorter event with the couple dressed in their Sunday best.

http://www.svcc.edu/academics/classes/murray/transfer/palaisroyal/stmonday.pdf


Regards

Valda

Hi Valda,

Sorry for the delay in replying to your posting - I've been really busy tracing the lines of Margaret's siblings - I've done well so far and have managed to trace Emma's line right up to a 4th cousin who lives less than 50 miles away from me now in Cambridgeshire!

Still no idea who the SARAH referred to on the marriage certificate was - she doesn't enterinto the family tree as either a sibling, cousin or spouse - so I guess that we'll never know! 

Yes, William's parents were William Tapley and Mary Ann Albert.

Margaret was always shown as a "sewer" on census returns but no occupation was given on the marriage certificate - another of those unanswerable anomilies, I guess.

May 14th 1842 (the date of the marriage) was a Saturday - so I guess that explains why some of his family might not have been there.

Still cannot find Margaret on the 1841 census - this is now my bug bear with regard to her.

I guess it's time to keep following up the leads that have been created by this, and again, thank you for all your help - it really has been much appreciated.

Regards,

Mike