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Armagh / Re: Thomas QUIN, b. Armagh, Armagh ~1760
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 03:58 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for contacting. Can you provide more details of your QUINNs? Do you have any Irish documents from the 1700s?

My Thomas QUIN, of the Royal Artillery, died in Halifax, Nova Scotia (now Canada) on 25 July 1792. It is known that son John Thomas joined the Royal Artillery, and it seems that the other son, William, also joined the Royal Artillery.

Jane

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London and Middlesex / Re: Herbert CLARKE, Button Manufacturer, died 1808
« on: Thursday 23 April 15 04:36 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Thank you for your suggestion.

Elizabeth JEWERS, of Bury St. Edmunds, was the spinster niece of Elizabeth GODBY, widow of Herbert's employer and benefactor, Francis GODBY.

Francis GODBY, when he died in 1770, left Herbert “the Sum of one hundred pounds All my Stock in Trade and all my Implements Utensils Fixtures and Working Tools in my said Trade to and for his own proper Use”. Herbert apparently also took over the button-maker's premises in Naked Boy Court, off the Strand, for a few years, before moving to 55 Drury Lane.

Both Francis and Elizabeth GODBY are buried in Hillingdon, near Uxbridge, Middlesex, the same churchyard as Herbert, his wife and three children. It may be that the GODBYs and the CLARKEs had an early family or neighbourly connection at Uxbridge/Hillingdon. Alternately, Herbert may have been influenced by his employer to buy property at Uxbridge.

Jane Elderfield



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London and Middlesex / Re: Herbert CLARKE, Button Manufacturer, died 1808
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 04:38 BST (UK)  »
Still looking for Herbert CLARKE (and siblings Elizabeth and Jonas) births around 1730.

At this point, our best guess is that the parents were Samuel CLARKE, esquire, and Sarah GUEST, married at Wren's St. Paul's Cathedral in 1727. This couple is apparently the parents of Sally Maria CLARKE, chr. 1729 in St. Clement Danes.

Samuel was called "esquire" because of his Royal appointment as Overseer of the Poor for the parish of St. Clement Danes. We have many examples of his signature, as he signed numerous official documents. We have also tracked his home in "Cooke's Court, Shere Lane Ward" of St. Clement Danes.

Still hoping to get a solid link between Herbert CLARKE, the button man of Drury Lane, and the estimable Samuel CLARKE, esq.

Jane Elderfield

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Armagh / Thomas QUIN, b. Armagh, Armagh ~1760
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 04:15 BST (UK)  »
On 02 August 1778, Thomas QUIN, aged 18, born "Armagh parish, Armagh city, Armagh county", joined the Royal Artillery, the "Detachment of 5 Company". The record of his "inlistment" gives a physical description of Thomas, and the fact that he could read and write.

Thomas was posted to Plymouth Dock, Devon, England, where he married Charlotta MASON in Dec. 1781. (She may have been born in Woolwich, Kent, home base of the Royal Artillery.) The couple apparently had at least two children. John Thomas QUIN was apparently born in Plymouth, Devon very shortly after the marriage, ~1782.  William QUIN was born in Woolwich, Kent in 1787.

Thomas QUIN's regiment was shipped to Nova Scotia, and Thomas died there, in Halifax, in 1792.

I do not know what became of his wife Charlotta nor of their son William. Their son John Thomas QUIN, at the age of eleven, joined the Royal Artillery as a drummer and trumpeter. (He is my ancestor and I know the outline of his history, also of some of his descendants. Some descendants also joined the Royal Artillery.)

So far, the parentage and earlier history of Thomas QUIN of Armagh is unknown to me. I notice that in Bradshaw's Directory for 1819, there are some QUINs in English Street, Armagh, including a John and a Thomas, but I have no clue to whether they are related to my Thomas.

I also see that other members of this forum have QUIN or QUINN ancestors from Armagh. Does anyone have a QUIN family in Armagh 1700s with a son Thomas born approximately 1760?

Jane Elderfield

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Unwanted Birth, Marriage, Death Certs H to M / MORRISON wm., 57, soldier, d. 1873, Woolwich
« on: Saturday 12 May 12 05:08 BST (UK)  »
Death Certificate:
William MORRISON, 57, Pensioner 70th Foot, Woolwich Dockyard, Kent, England.
23 February 1873.

Contact me by private message to arrange delivery.
J. Elderfield

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Unwanted Birth, Marriage, Death Certs N to S / RODWAY Mary, d.1869 Lewisham Kent, aged 69
« on: Friday 17 February 12 05:19 GMT (UK)  »
I have a certificate of death
04 January 1869, Lewisham Kent [Greater London], Mary RODWAY, 69, widow of William RODWAY, coffee-house keeper. Informant Jane RODWAY.

Not my ancestress--is she yours?

Send me a personal message to arrange for mailing this certificate to your address.

J. Elderfield

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London and Middlesex / Re: RODWAY families, London 1800s
« on: Tuesday 24 January 12 04:37 GMT (UK)  »

Hello, fe_nyx,

Thanks for your reply about James RODWAY of Woodchester, Gloucestershire.

I'm not certain that the James RODWAY of Woodchester is "my" James Rodway--but I hope so!  There is a possible tie-in with Samuel, b. Woodchester and the rest of the Rodborough/Woodchester RODWAYs, as outlined in my long message above on this Forum.

The first record that I know about that is definitely "my" James RODWAY is a labourer in Eltham, Kent, with wife Mary, at the christening of their son John 06 Dec. 1818.

Another son, Richard RODWAY was chr. 01 Apr. 1821, also in Eltham.

A third child that I know of was Mary RODWAY, b. New Cross, Greenwich, Kent  abt. 1826.

I have fairly good details about these three, their occupations and addresses, and their spouses, children and grandchildren.

1. John started as a bootmaker, later became a furniture broker, and lived in the Lewisham/Greenwich area of Kent (now greater London). He married Ann Maria KNOWLDEN and they had three children before she died.

2. Richard trained as a waterman and lighterman on the Thames, and became a Trinity pilot. He married a Mary Ann WISE, who already had a daughter. They did not have any children of their own (that I know of), but fostered nephew James John (John RODWAY's son) after the little boy's mother Ann Maria died.

3. Mary married John LOVELOCK, a flax dresser or labourer, of Greenwich, Kent. They had at least seven children.

Does any of this info from "my" RODWAYs tie in to "your" RODWAYs of Gloucestershire? I'd be excited to know!

Contact me by Personal Message if you wish to exchange email addresses.

J. Elderfield

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London and Middlesex / Re: RODWAY families, London 1800s
« on: Sunday 15 January 12 05:50 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: J. Elderfield on Friday 17 December 10 04:08 GMT (UK)
In searching for my RODWAYs in Greater London, England, I have come across several other RODWAY families, who may or may not be related.

I have census and other details for James & Mary RODWAY, of St. Leonard's Shoreditch, and some of their children.
Another family is Samuel & Mary RODWAY, and their son Samuel jr., of Finsbury / Clerkenwell.
These two families seem to have been in the furniture-making and finishing business. ...

Here's something that caught my eye:
In the 1841 census for Clerkenwell, Finsbury, London, Samuel RODWAY, 40, Cabinet Maker, and family live in Noble Street. 
Just down Noble street lives William DE BAR, 29, Coach Maker, and his family.

Now, William DE BAR's daughter Elizabeth (born 1844) grows up to marry a James John RODWAY of my family. The earliest progenitor that I know of in my family is James RODWAY, having children from 1818 (so presumably born in the late 1700s).

Is this coincidence? Or is Samuel RODWAY related to James RODWAY, the progenitor of my RODWAYs?

I did a little more digging. Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker) says on the 1861 census that he was born in Woodchester, Gloucestershire, around 1796

I didn't find his birth on FamilySearch, but did find James 1797, Sarah 1799, William 1800, Mary 1802, Harriot 1803, Winefred 1805, Horatio 1806 and Charles RODWAY 1807, all christened in Woodchester.

Their father was Samuel RODWAY, so it's not unreasonable to assume that there was also a son Samuel RODWAY (the cabinet maker), whose chr. is not found.

Just two miles away in Rodborough, Gloucestershire, were more christenings to a Samuel RODWAY and wife Sarah:
Frances 1791, Betty 1792, Thomas 1793, John 1794.

This reasonably makes a family of 13 children from 1791 to 1807, with Samuel RODWAY (not found, around 1796) in the middle.

The marriage of Samuel RODWAY to "Sarah or Mary" FLETCHER 05 Aug 1790 in Rodborough looks pretty likely to be the parents.

This would suggest that perhaps Samuel RODWAY the cabinet maker and my James RODWAY were brothers, and that both moved up to the Greater London area as young men. James' grandson James John could reasonably have visited his cousins in Clerkenwell and made the acquaintance of the DE BAR daughter....

William DE BAR, by the way, was from Gloucester City, and apparently also came up to London as a young man, where he married a Bermondsey girl, Mary (probably the Mary Waller MERCER chr. in Bermondsey 1817, and married in Newington 1835.)

That's my best thinking to date.
JE

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London and Middlesex / Re: RODWAY families, London 1800s
« on: Friday 13 January 12 05:06 GMT (UK)  »
Ah, yes, these would be the RODWAYs at 32 Lee Street, Tower Hamlets, St. Leonard Shoreditch in 1851, with Father George, 45, a Fancy Cabinet Finisher. James is aged 4.

Then in 1861, the family is at 16 Dorchester St., with James, aged 14, an apprentice to a Pocket-book Maker.

So your RODWAYs are in the same tree as Kanscar's. But perhaps, far enough back, my RODWAYs and yours/Kanscar's might be connected?

Thanks for posting, and congratulations on your research to date. Let us know if you make further progress back in time, or wider in geography.

JE


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