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Dublin / Re: 1861 Dublin Census look up please
« on: Wednesday 23 March 22 20:52 GMT (UK)  »
I may have some information about Elizabeth although not Irish records, I afraid. And what I do have is only a possible glimpse of her in the UK before the 1881 census.

I have Westman ancestors and years back did a survey of all Irish-born Westmans living in the UK, census by census.

It is possible that Elizabeth is the Lizzie aged 15 who appears in the 1871 census living with her mother Anne and siblings William, Mary and Margaret, living 119 Grace Church St, Bradford, Yorks. Anne is a widow and they were all born in Ireland, and as they don't appear in the 1861 census they must have emigrated between 1861 and 1871.

Of course this doesn't help in going back and into possible Irish records. I have the same problem with no concrete details for my Westman ancestor before he emigrated and settled first in Manchester and then Leicester in the 1860s. Like Elizabeth, my ancestor Alexander was born in Dublin (in 1842). His father was also a William but a stone mason by trade. Also think the family came from the Mountmellick area in Co. Laois - although still to be substantiated.

Good luck with you search.
J


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Laois (Queens) / Re: WESTMAN, Richard
« on: Wednesday 23 March 22 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, forgot to mention that my ancestor William was a stone mason as I think Richard was? William's sons and grandsons were also stone masons. Family names are very similar, too.

All best

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Laois (Queens) / Re: WESTMAN, Richard
« on: Wednesday 23 March 22 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
I'm afraid I can't help with your request, but I was wondering if you might be able to help me and my search into Westman ancestors in Ireland?

I believe your ancestor Richard born in 1808 in Rosenallis, Laois, could be the brother of my ancestor William born around 1798 mostly likely in the same area. Do you have parent names for Richard? Also wondering if you searched for Richard's siblings in the records for the Church of Ireland Parish of Rosenallis?

I am based in the UK and only have definite records for my Westman branch in this country. Nothing definite in Ireland although I know that is where my ancestor was born. I have some information from the Westman/Langford book (although do not possess a copy unfortunately) that possible links to Westmans in Laois.

Thank you

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Thank you aghodowey for all the info on the Bridgeport Westman family - you've found a lot I haven't been able to.

Good to know, Muffin41, that the connection between the Pow and Westman families of Bradford is a definite - living on the same street!




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Just to clarify. My posting was in response to the original posting on this thread as I thought I might be able to offer a possible identity and family to the Elizabeth Westman that married Henry P Pow. Although this family is possibly related to my Westman line, as cousins or second cousins, I don't have a definite link. It's rarely I find anything on line that I can add any information to.

Just read your latest message: yes, I did wonder if Kate/Julia were one and the same and yes I agree about William and Mary. This family doesn't seem to go anywhere in CT and at one time I wondered if they emigrated again, back to England or elsewhere, or simply died out without male issue.

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Thanks!

Yes, I've seen these records, apart from the one for Mary. There is also a possible duplicate record for George's son Daniel as a private in the US military based in Aparri in the Philippine Islands, which would mean that both William and Daniel have been recorded twice in this census. Sorry, can't supply a link as I haven't kept anything but a written record.

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I may have some information about the Elizabeth Westman who married Henry P Pow in 1897 in Bridgeport Fairfield C. [I've researched all Irish-born Westmans living in England, family by family through the censuses, whilst trying to trace my own family of Westmans.]

I believe Elizabeth to be the daughter of George and Margaret Westman (both born Queen's Co, Ireland). George married Margaret (Cohen or Farrell) in 1865 Bradford, Yorks (from BMDs). George and Margaret and their family appear in the 1871 and 1881 censuses in  Bradford, Yorks, England, and appear to have emigrated from Ireland to England after 1861 and before 1871 and from England to the US in the 1880s.

George, I believe, is the son of Anne Westman born Ireland who also appears in the 1871 and 1881 censuses in Bradford, Yorks.

1871
Anne         50          head/widow       b. Ireland
William      25          son                   "
Mary          20          dau                  "
Lizzie         15          dau                  "
Margaret    13          dau                  "
Living 119 Grace Church St, Bradford

George       29         head                 b. Ireland
Margaret     26         wife                  "
Annie          4          dau                   Yorks
William        2          son                   "
Daniel          1          son
Living 44 Abbey St, Bradford
             
1881
Ann          60         in-law                 Ireland
Living with daughter Bridget and her husband Martin Hirson/Herson.

George      40         head                  Queens Co
Margaret    36         wife                   "
Margaret    22         sister                 "
Annie         13         dau                   Yorks
William      11          son                    Lancs
Daniel        10         son                    Manningham
Julia           8           dau                   "
Eliza           6           dau                   "
Mary           4          dau                    "
Joseph        2          son                    "
George       8 mon   son                    "
Living 69 Chassum? St, Manningham, Bradford

George and his family emigrate to the US in the 1880s. George himself in abt. 1882 (according to 1900 census), children William and Annie in 1886 on The Queen, son Daniel in 1887 on The Wisconsin, and wife Margaret and remaining children in 1888 on The Alaska.

By 1900 I've only been able to find records for George, a widow and carpenter, and sons William and Daniel, weavers, and a dau, Kate (?) living in Bridgeport, Fairfield, CT. I haven't been able to find anything else about the family after this census and don't have access to marriage and death records for the area.

So could George's daughter Eliza/Elizabeth be Henry Pow's wife? Don't think there are any other Westmans connected to Bridgeport.

Hope of some help/interest.

Judith



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