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Hello, Gail! Yes, it would be great to have a copy of this letter. Of course I was hoping for a nice headstone somewhere... a pitty. Am wondering, would a crematorium (after so many years) have any records with a birth date of a deceased person? Not that I still have serious doubts, but I think it would be nice to have...

Greetings,
Gudrun

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Hello! Once again I would like to thank all of you  :).

After going through all the material again I am wondering if it might be possible to find her grave or at least the cemetery where she has been buried.

The - again slightly contradictive - information we have is:

1. She died 24 December 1917 at Shotter Mill, Surrey (Probate Calendar).
2. She died 24 December 1917 Ridge End, Linchmere R.D., registration district Midhurst, Subdistrict Fernhurst, West Sussex (from a certified copy of an entry of death).
3. Both places seem to be very close to each other.
4. She died of tuberculosis.
5. Her last address was 46 Berner's street Middlesex (Probate Calendar).
6. On August 25 1917 she lived 17 John St. Adelphi, London (will).
7. Her religion is unknown, she was baptized Lutheran.
8. There are death records from St. Stephens Church Shotter Mill online, but she is not listed (http://www.shottermillparish.org.uk/burial%20details.pdf)
9. The website of this church mentions tuberculosis victims and patients of Holy Cross Hospital in Haslemere from 1917 on (http://www.shottermillparish.org.uk/burials.html).
10. She might have been buried under "Gertrude Robins", "Gertrude Louisa Robins" or "Gertrude Dawson".

Does anybody have a suggestion where to start?

Spidermonkey, thank you also for your hint on Christoper T. Robins material in archives, I will check with his grandson if he is aware of this.

With kind regards,

Gudrun

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All,

@Arevans777: Great!!! I just got this article from someone else in this forum as well, as a link via PM, and from another co-researcher per email. Yes, it would be too much of a coincidence if both Gertrude Louisa Robins' would have taken Honors in Modern Languages at Oxford, in addition to all the things we already knew "they" had in common. I agree, it must be ONE person. Would anybody object, at this point? Still this "Irish father" story remains a mistery, possibly it can not be solved... btw., would you mind emailing me a copy of the will?

@Spidermonkey: thanks for the obituary! I will forward it to my co-researchers. Quite strange that her year of birth is not mentioned (I think).

@BarbaraH: so far I did not come across Gertrude Minnie Robins, if she is related to "our" Robins my co-researchers might have more info, I believe they now all follow the discussions here and will let us know.

If someone comes across additional information on GLR (outside of the present Google results), please let us know...

Thanks to everybody who helped, this forum is really wonderful!  :) :) :)

Greetings from Holland,
Gudrun

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All: the number of good suggestions is really overwhelming! In addition to the contributions in this thread I got a message with a very promising hint on an article on http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ , obviously mentioning Gertrude L Robins in connection with a college and an address in Church End (!). Thank you all for your help!

So, there is some homework to do now... of course, any further suggestions are still very welcome!

@ Spidermonkey: the will... no I did not buy it yet. I was assuming only Mr. Dawson would be mentioned after I found the probate calendar entry "Dawson Gertrude Louise of 46 Berner's-street Middlesex (wife of Charles Edwin Dawson) died 24 December 1917 at Shotter Mill Surrey Probate London 28 March to Charles Edwin Dawson lieutenant H.M. Army. Effects £ 50." But you are right, this is something we can chase! Especially since "my"  Gertrude's elderly sister Elizabeth Caroline died in 1958 only.

@BarbaraH: As arevans777 said, "looks like an excellent resource"!

@avm228: No, no photo's of Gertrude the schoolmistress, no photos of her parents either. A pity! Your remark re. the census, was it taken on a specific day countrywide? I was not aware of that...

@spidermonkey (once more), re: the Robins siblings : have to review how much we have about the siblings... for sure not all details. But same first names + birth year of a second Gertrude L. in the same family... hm... and still, the main reason for our doubts is that "Irish father" thing (one possibility for that could of course be that the guy being her father on paper was not her father in reality and she knew that... IF we are talking about ONE Gertrude).

If anybody has the free access to the British Newspapers mentioned initially, it would be great if you could look up

Publication Date: on 30 June 1900
Search: Robins n3 Station

for us. I just asked my co-researchers and am waiting for their reply now. Otherwise I'll go ahead and buy the 24 hours access tomorrow...

All the best,
Gudrun

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Good morning, everybody! This morning I re-read the contributions to this forum and I see I made a mistake when I said that the last trace of the hat and cap manufacturer's daughter was the 1901 census. I apologize for this. We do have a document with her father's will from January 1903 when she lived in Church End, Finchley, Barnet. At that time her mother lived in Germany. Her father John died in December 1902 but the marriage certificate from 1906 does not mention his as deceased, tough for me to say if this was uncommon. Church End is not as far as Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, from Holborn, Middlesex where Charles Edwin Dawson lived in 1906 but off course this is all but an evidence.

About the Oxford colleges, arevans777 did some research there, I grabbed our correspondence and see that he wrote to archives of

-Lady Margaret Hall
-St. Anne's College
-St. Hilda's College
-St. Hugh's College
-Somerville College

and got negative responses from all. But, so far St. Ursula's Convent in Oxford was not in the picture so that one might be "hot". And there might be others... We also wrote to the successor of that school in Peterborough where the hat and cap manufacturer's daughter worked, but they did not keep any records from that time.

Arevans777, am happy to see you here! Berlin Bob told me about this forum only yesterday and I must say I find it amazing how many helpful people responded. And knowledgable people! Maybe we should shift our future discussions to this forum to get some fresh ideas? Especially when we sum up the pro's (= we are talking about ONE person) and the cons (we are possibly talking about TWO persons). Please let us also know if I made any mistakes or omissions in my contributions.

All the best,
Gudrun

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@Carole (and the others): you say "assistant school mistress living in Peterborough Northamptonshire which suggests a different person given the diverse occupations". We  noticed this different occupation, too.  But at that time (1901) she was just 21 years old. She might have worked as an actress on the side and might have turned her hobby into her profession a few years later. Not sure how realistic it is... too many open questions...

@avm228, @ Hackstaple: Thank you! St. Ursula's College sounds like a hit! Do you know where they might keep their old files? If not I'll try to figure out...

Greetings,
Gudrun

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@Spidermonkey: Hm... good point. But one of my co-researchers checked the 1911 census and he says she is definitely not there and we know that at some point she was in Italy because we have a photo (w/o date) showing her in Florence. Do you have access to the Times archive? If so, would you mind checking for an article about her death (December 1917) for me?

All the best,
Gudrun

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Yes, it can not be the university... but since she said in that interview that she took "Honors in Modern Languages at Oxford" Lady Margaret Hall could be a possibility I guess. Although I (not being a native speaker) thought "Honors" are rather associated with a university...  In any case, I will check out the college, tx again!!!

BTW, I find it amazing how many replies I got. Bob, tx for pointing me to this forum!

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@ Hackstaple: Yes, my great-grandmother's cousin changed the sequence of her given names. Regarding her mother, she was born as Helene which is the German version of Helen, she might just have pronounced it the English way when the census was taken. I noticed that the spelling of especially foreigner's names is not always very accurate. Regarding the other John Robins, I will keep an eye on him. But the funny thing is that there is that talk about an Irish connection...

All the best,
Gudrun

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