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Australia / Re: Richard HARVEY and Margaret CANNING - arrival in Australia
« on: Tuesday 30 September 14 01:12 BST (UK)  »
How wonderful of you to make contact. I am absolutely delighted. I wanted to reply immediately but will need to revise again before I reply in more detail. And so kind for your offer of help should I visit Ballarat.  I will talk again soon.

Regards
Kate

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Kent / Re: Alfred Greatbatch GOVER Barrister of Chatham
« on: Monday 18 August 14 15:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Andrew,
I believe I have found an error with Findmypast! With you saying you thought Harriet was born to John and Elizabeth - you are actually right!

In my previous post to you, in checking my records, I looked up and found the Index from Findmypast for Harriet's Baptism - and yes it did say William and Elizabeth! However you put a query in my mind so I quickly looked up the St Mary's Baptism Register on Cityark Medway Ancestors and sure enough her parents are John and Elizabeth. Harriet's name is directly beneath Izaac's in the Register so there has been an error in transcription. I do apologise, and thank you for putting the query into my mind. She is the daughter of John and Elizabeth. I will correct my records now.

Thank you
Kate

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Kent / Re: Alfred Greatbatch GOVER Barrister of Chatham
« on: Monday 18 August 14 15:24 BST (UK)  »
Hello Andrew,
It is good to hear again, thank you. I have just checked my records and it does appear that Harriet was born to William and Elizabeth. What I have found is that sometimes family members were baptised at the same time so this could be what happened here - unless they were twins! It is a shame that birth dates were rarely recorded.

I have not come across a Levi at any time during my searches but he could well belong to one or other of our Greatbatch families. I look forward to viewing the letters when you are ready- I am very grateful.

I am away till the weekend and it is after midnight here in Australia so when I return I will seek out records and information to give to you.

Hope it goes well with the personal messaging. If it would be easier I could send you my email address through which to send the letters.

Thank you again
Regards
Kate

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Kent / Re: Hamond Place Chatham - where was it?
« on: Saturday 16 August 14 22:41 BST (UK)  »
I will. Thanks Iris

Kate

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Kent / Re: Hamond Place Chatham - where was it?
« on: Saturday 16 August 14 15:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so very much ShaunJ - I am most grateful, and pleased to have found Hamond Place. Thank you also for your input domino. You were probably walking right past Hamond Place on your way to college, as per the map.


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Date Died: 3 March 1915
Name: Captain William Arthur Gover
Age: 35
Regiment: The 7th Duke of Connaught's own Rajputs

My Grand Uncle Captaim William Arthur Gover died on 3 March 1915 during action at Ahwaz Mesopotamia in an attempt to protect the pipeline of the Anglo-Persian oil source at Maidan-i-Naftun (the Plain of the Oil). 

The pipeline was about 230 kilometres long and the settlement of Ahwaz was half-way along the pipeline, where a European community of oil workers lived. As breaches of the line by the Turks had already occurred a Garrison had been set up at Ahwaz to protect the asset. By early March 1915 a large group of irregular Turkish units had grouped close by along with enemy Arabs and, on the 2 March, decision was made to try to disperse these groups to disable attack.

In the morning on 3 March after a night time advance by the British and Indian Troops mayhem occurred. The 7th Rajputs were outnumbered and outflanked by 12,000 to 1000 men and a withdrawal action was attempted. This was fiercely fought but troops became interspersed during the attack and a Lieutenant Burgoyne-Wallace was wounded.

Captain W A Gover along with Mahesh Singh and Lieutenant Harvey stayed back to try to rescue Lieutenant Burgoyne-Wallace. They were unsuccessful and all four were hacked to death or shot down. Later Captain WA Gover and Lieutenant Harvey were posthumously recommended for the Victoria Cross but the recommendations were down turned (Source: Western Front Association; The Battle at Ahwaz, Persia, 3 March 1915 – Wednesday 1 May 2013).

My Grand Uncle was born in 1880, and grew up, in Madras India to parents Alfred Greatbatch Gover and Anna Jane. To my knowledge he did not marry and would have been 35 at his death. There is a memorial to WA Gover in the Tehran Memorial, Panel 21 Column 1. I feel proud of his actions and wish to commemorate him here as he had no direct descendants of his own.

 

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Kent / Re: Alfred Greatbatch GOVER Barrister of Chatham
« on: Friday 15 August 14 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Yes I suppose we are cousins!

Ah and Effie was Esther  - that makes sense now!  Do you know much about William 1779? I have found what I believe is his Death Record! I can pass that on too if you wish. I look forward to seeing the letters as well, but when you have time.

You are probably aware that after three posts you can message by Personal Mail on this site. Through that if you wish I could give you my email address - it may be easier in posting the letters.

Regards

Kate

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Kent / Hamond Place Chatham - where was it?
« on: Friday 15 August 14 14:23 BST (UK)  »
In researching my GG Grandfather Thomas Gover I have found him as a Wine Merchant living in Hamond Place, Chatham Kent in the 1840 Pigot's Directory. In the introduction to Chatham, Brompton and Gillingham in the Directory it states;

'...Some years since a number of dwellings were destroyed by a conflagration and their site  (Hamond place), is now occupied by some elegant houses and shops.'

I have looked up Hamond Place on mapsgoogle and have been directed to a place  over the river in what appears to be Upnor, near Upnor Castle, near the Tudor Rose Inn. I have also found a place called Hammond Hill in Chatham.

Would anyone out there be able to tell me if the Hammond Place (it is spelt with two 'm's' in mapsgoogle) could be the Hamond Place (one 'm') of my interest in the Pigot's Directory 1840? Does Hammond Hill have any relationship with Hamond Place? Or was Hamond Place Chatham in a different place to what I have been looking at and thinking a possibility?

Thank you for your interest.

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Kent / Re: Alfred Greatbatch GOVER Barrister of Chatham
« on: Thursday 14 August 14 01:30 BST (UK)  »
Hello Andrew,
I am really excited. I do believe that we share William Greatbatch 1779 - 1838 as one of our ancestors. This William is my 3rd Great Grandfather. Your William 1810 is my 2nd Great Grand Uncle. And I do believe that your William is my Ann's brother and that William and Elizabeth are their parents. My research tells me that William 1779 married Elizabeth Heath on 2 August 1801 at Saint Giles, Newcastle Under Lyme, Stafford, England. Source Citation: Place: Newcastle-under-Lyne, Staffordshire, England; Collection: St Giles; Date Range: 1754 - 1837; Film Number: 1040775. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any other facts about Elizabeth Heath however. 

I have done quite a bit of research on my Ann who married Thomas Gover in 1829 at St Mary's in Chatham and yes I agree that it would be most likely your William was the witness at Ann and Thomas's wedding.

It would appear that after William and Elizabeth married they ventured down to Chatham sometime between when Ann was born in 1803 and William in 1810. I cannot find any siblings between 1803 and 1810. I have found at least three other children Izaac, Harriet - who were Baptised on the same day in 1813 - then Elizabeth who was baptised in 1816. Does that compare with your findings?

I have wondered about the John and Elizabeth Greatbatch having a connection with William and Elizabeth but have found nothing concrete - maybe John and William 1779 were brothers. It seems there could well have been a close family connection between John and William. Ann and Mary Ann could have been cousins since Mary Ann was witness to Thomas and Ann's wedding!  In Ann Gover's Index of Will Administration William her brother is mentioned as living in Fortress Terrace Kentish Town. Is he your William? I am pleased to learn of John's occupation as Seargent Major in the Marines - it puts more of a face to the people. In Pigot's 1824 Directory it has William Greatbatch in Military Road Chatham under Earthenware, China and Glass Dealers. That fits well with him coming from Staffordshire.

I am very interested in the letters you mention. Yes Ann and Thomas had a daughter Anna Maria but I can't find a daughter to William called Effie! Was that her full name? I would love to hear more of the letters if you wished. I find this all so fascinating. If I can help in any other way I am more than happy to do so.

Regards

Kate




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