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The Common Room / Re: why so many names given on a marriage record?
« on: Monday 09 January 12 22:50 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to you all for your hel and replies.
Yes, Ellen /Patrick/ Mulvihill - all very popular irish names - making the search that little bit harder - hence why I cannot take a punt on where she comes from - too many to choose from!
I do not think the Divorce record found was linked to our Lilian Brown/Ellen Mulvihill  - I just found her and Alfred Robert Brown in the censuses of 1901/1911 - they are the generation up from Ellen and George - but maybe in time I will find they are part of the tree after all,  as in 1901 they lived in Rochford Essex, the same area that the wedding of Ellen and George took place in, during 1933!
I will keep on trying!!  :D

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The Common Room / Re: why so many names given on a marriage record?
« on: Monday 09 January 12 14:21 GMT (UK)  »
Ok, thanks for that!  Maybe I will find more about her when the the 1921 census reports are made available - I have a long wait  ;)

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The Common Room / Re: why so many names given on a marriage record?
« on: Monday 09 January 12 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
thanks for your prompt responses.  Yes I had a go at trying to solve this last year, but got distracted from it and am still frustrated by it today. 

The main question is really why so many names would appear on a formal marriage document . .  .if she changed her first names just for the sake of it, would these have been noted on such a record, I wouldn't have though so?  It's so puzzling!! 
So, it could be a decision to change a name, maybe due to adoption, or remarriage by Ellen, or maybe just two different people that married George.   I would be interested to know if this reference to 'otherwise ' has been noted/questioned before??

Thanks again, I think this one will be troubling me for a long time to come!! ;)

BTW - The first marriage record does show the full name of ELLEN GERTRUDE MULVIHILL and notes her father as being Patrick Mulvihill, so this must indeed be a name from birth. 

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The Common Room / why so many names given on a marriage record?
« on: Monday 09 January 12 13:43 GMT (UK)  »
hello
I really hope you can clear up my confusion.  A marriage certificate from 1946 states that the groom was:

 ''formerly the husband of Helen Gertrude(otherwise Lilian Maud) Wilde, formerly Mulvilhill (otherwise Brown) a spinster from whom he obtained a divorce."

We know the first marriage of this groom involved ELLEN GERTRUDE MULVIHILL, in 1933.  So can anyone explain reference to 'otherwise Lilian Maud' and/or 'otherwise Brown'? 

Is it likley to be another wife  'Lilian Maud Brown' who has maybe passed away or divorced the groom prior to what now might  be a third marriage??  Or is it likely to be telling us that Ellen had a name change and/or remarried before the timing of the groom's second marriage? 

If anyone can explain or suggest why so many names are given  it would be much appreciate as I am currently left with so many possible reasons - none of which I can prove to be true.  Thanks  :)

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Rutland / Re: Marriage Look up please - Sheltons in Rutland
« on: Monday 25 April 11 21:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Thanks for taking the time to respond and for helping to solve this!!
 :)

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Rutland / Re: Marriage Look up please - Sheltons in Rutland
« on: Friday 22 April 11 19:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I tried contacting Laura, as recommended, but her reply requested that I just post the request in the usual way - so I have done so again in hope that she picks it up.  Apologies for the duplication and fingers crossed for a response from her soon.

Kim :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: A puzzling marriage record
« on: Friday 22 April 11 09:15 BST (UK)  »
Sorry for my delay in replying. Thanks to all for your time on this.  I think he next step for us will be to get out hands on the divorce records, if possible. 

The witnesses at the marriage were also Wildes - same as the groom, so that has not helped.  I think the name on the divorce could be the final straw.

Thanks once again,
Kim

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Rutland / Marriage Look up please - Sheltons in Rutland
« on: Friday 22 April 11 09:12 BST (UK)  »
Hello   

I have found a registered marriage between an Arthur Shelton and Elizabeth Walker in 1905 in Oakham.

However, does anyone have access to the marriage records/marriage banns so that I can be certain about Elizabeth and her background. In the 1911 census its show Arthur and his wife and two sons, with Mrs Elizabeth Shelton (Walker) as being born abt 1884 in Manton  But looking at registered births,  I have found an Elizabeth Walker born in Oakham 1884 (not Manton) alhtough there is an Eliza Walker born in Manton abt1884.  Which one is Mrs Shelton?

Can anyone help to confirm either way? This is my first ever look up, so hope it works out!!

Thanks, Kim 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: A puzzling marriage record
« on: Wednesday 13 April 11 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all your ideas and suggestions. I had been focusing on the south of England, but of course it is possible that Patrick & Co. in Lancashire are her family, especially as her grandmother would have also been called Ellen.

I think what I found most strange was the change of Christian/middle names, as there are of course some common sense suggestions as to why there could be three surnames in the picture.

I will get back to you regarding the witnesses and co-respondents to the divorce as I do not have that information to hand this evening - I will revert tomorrow.

Thanks again, Kim

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