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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 22:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Fide et Fortitudine on Friday 16 August 13 11:57 BST (UK)
Robert & Ann's daughter, Marion b. 1829, might have been named after a grandmother Mary.
Could this be the James Sloan (dad's) household in 1841?  On Free Cen -

Piece: SCT1841/821 Place: Dumfries -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dumfries Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 27 Page: 1
Address: Auchencrieff Bank

SLOAN       James       M       60       Joiner        Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Mary       F       60                               Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Margaret       F       35                       Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       John       M       30       Joiner Journeyman    Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       David       M       25       Coachmaker Journeyman Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Janet       F       25                                Dumfries-shire           
SLOAN       Agnes       F       20                        Dumfries-shire           
THOMSON       Mary       F       7                                Dumfries-shire           
MCNEIL       David       M       15       Joiner Apprentice     Dumfries-shire

James might have been a joiner first and a shepherd later in life? 
It puts his birth abt. 1781, which seems about right if son Robert was born abt. 1801. 
Robert (if he's the eldest son) is not in this household because he might have been married by this time / living elsewhere (children with Ann Cleland are born in the 1820s/early 30s). 

What was Robert's occupation?  I can see Agricultural Labourer on the second line after his name on the dc, but what's on the first line?  ****** Journeyman? 

So does Mary = "Grace"?  (Perhaps a middle name?)

On FS, I can see a James Sloan spouse of a Mary RYCROFT in Dumfriesshire, and another one, spouse of a Mary NITHERS - parents of a David Sloane (b. 1806).  But neither of those surnames looks anything like the mother's MS on your Robert's death reg.  Problematic.  Unless James Sloan married twice? 

A death cert for James Sloan (deceased prior to 1864) might confirm his wife/-ves. 

Added:
On second thoughts, looking at Robert's dc again, could the mother's MS be McNITERS / McNithers / Nithers?!!

Hi,

I think it could be a brother of his maybe. His mother was born in 1765 so I'm guessing the father, James was born around that time too. Thanks for your help with the surname, I don't know how you figured it out but you were spot on with it :)

Theres no sign of a death, birth or marriage for James that I can see but I've added the records I've found with Grace listed in them.

I've always thought that Robert's occupation on the cert. was 'Pauper formally agricultural labourer' or something along those lines. I hope I'm wrong though!

Colleen

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 22:40 BST (UK)  »
Hey Louie,

No need to feel silly at all. The way it was written could have meant anything at all! :)

Just a few more bits to add now. I found her son, Thomas' death record with both parent's names and Grace's unusual surname again! On her birth record, it is 'Nittles' though. She must have decided to change it later on.

Colleen

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 22:07 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

Thanks so much for all your replies and help! Its much appreciated:) The good news is that I have found her so thanks to you all! Her name on the cert. does indeed look like Grace McItirs/McIters. I had come across a Grace Sloan with a son called Thomas on the 1841 census recently but for whatever reason I didn't follow it up. Now I have found an 1851 census record and a death record for her too. It seems her marriage to James was not recorded and neither was his birth or death.

But I think I may have found a birth record for Grace in Kirkcudbrightshire. She seems to go by the very unusual name of 'Nitters' most of the time.

I've put these up here. Hopefully the attachments work!


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Deciphering 1864 Scottish death record.
« on: Tuesday 02 July 13 04:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I'm at my wits end trying to decipher the first name and the maiden name of Robert Sloan's mother in the attached document. I've tried using old Scottish handwriting guides online and I have also asked several people, including an archivist, to take a look but no one can figure it out! I've highlighted the area (under James Sloan - Shepherd) in yellow and I would be grateful for any help. :)

Regards

Colleen

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Dublin / Re: Catherine(Kathleen) Burbridge
« on: Tuesday 06 September 11 03:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi again Denis,

I've found out that my g-g grandfather had a sister called Kate Burbidge, but from what i know that was the name she was given at birth, not Catherine. I believe she may have called herself Kathleen though, since there are no marriages anywhere for a Kate Burbidge but there are several for Kathleen Burbidge in Dublin. Also, her sister Elizabeth, who was known as Lily, did marry Thomas Casey in 1919. It was their son who traced us previously. I don't know if this will help you or not but i hope it does. I will keep looking into it so if you need any more info on the family just give me a shout.

Colleen

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Dublin / Re: Catherine(Kathleen) Burbridge
« on: Monday 30 May 11 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi there,

I have a Thomas Casey in my family tree somewhere. He was related to my great-grandmother, Mary Ann Burbidge. He actually worked out how our families were connected while he was still alive and contacted us out of the blue a few years back! Unfortunately I don't have access to his records so I may be wrong in saying that Mary Ann's father had a sister who married into the Casey family but thats my guess anyway. I still have to find out exactly how his family are related to us. But if I find out any more info I will let you know. Also, sometimes the name Burbidge is recorded as Burbridge and vice versa. They seem to be variations of the same name. When Mary Ann was married, her name was recorded as 'Burbridge' as was her father's name on his birth record. I hope this helps.

Regards,

Colleen

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