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Herefordshire / Re: Thomas Cecil blacksmith at Newlands and Lugwardine
« on: Saturday 19 October 13 22:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks,
I had not realized that Newlands was quite that close to Penallt. I still cannot find Stow Green but see that their is a Stowfield close by. I need to look at the original form tomorrow to see if it has been miss read.

It is a good notion that his wife went back to have her first child, although the 61 census does place all the family up in Lugwardine.  I will have to visit to take a look around the village and try to identify the places you mention.

Thanks again.

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Herefordshire / Thomas Cecil blacksmith at Newlands and Lugwardine
« on: Friday 18 October 13 21:51 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to track a Thomas Cecil, born about 1833 in Welsh Newton, to a Thomas and Elizabeth Cecil. He was a journeyman blacksmith at his fathers farm/forge but left sometime after 1851 and travelled far and wide.

In April 1855 he seems to have married married an Elizabeth James, from Penallt, in Hereford. This much travelled blacksmith then had a son, Thomas, registered 1857 alternatively at Stow Green or Newlands, Gloucestershire, and a daughter, Alice, registered 1859 at Leominster.

The 1861 census places the family at Lugwardine, where he practises as a blacksmith. The address is Garden House ??????(unreadable) which seems to be between the Garden House -  the home of an agricultural labourer and Longworth (?) Mill. The mill was large enough to employ two men.

The 1871 census places him and his family at the forge in Goodrich where he finally settled.

Can anyone cast any light on either his time at Newlands or Lugwardine. For example was the mill at Lugwardine refurbished at this time?

Paul

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Herefordshire / Re: cecils blacksmiths of Goodrich
« on: Saturday 14 September 13 16:51 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Annette7.
I have followed Elizabeth (b 1811) through the census from 1841 to 1891, mostly resident at Parkside Farm (80 acres). Thomas (b 1801) seems to die after 1861. The ages of Ann and John, her children who are still living with her vary getting younger by 3 or 4 years from one census to another so poor old Elizabeth seems to be getting a little forgetful. However, in the 1871 census she is joined by her brother, now a widower named as Thomas Parry (b 1827 Llanrothel) !! So your link to the Parrys seems to be supported.

The Cecil - Sisel - Siscell variation also makes sense if the name was being recorded from the spoken name.

Thanks for the leads.  -  Luaperom

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Herefordshire / Re: cecils blacksmiths of Goodrich
« on: Friday 13 September 13 18:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Suz, both for the confirmation and the extra census data. It looks like I need to visit LLangarran to chase the family back any further.

As someone who is new to all this two questions spring to mind.
  How do you begin to trace wills and probate?
  What does your reference: "HO107 2444 471 1"  mean.

Thanks again

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Herefordshire / cecils blacksmiths of Goodrich
« on: Wednesday 11 September 13 22:10 BST (UK)  »
At the age of 65 I have just found that my birth mother was a Cecil. She was directly related through the male line to the Cecils who were blacksmiths in the village of Goodrich. I have found the following information:
  Thomas Cecil (1833 - 1882) married to Elizabeth (born 1830/1 Penhamlt Monmouthshire)
  On his death the forge passed to his son George:
   
  Thomas was in turn the son of another:
  Thomas Cecil (1801- ) married Elizabeth (1811- ) both possible from LLangarran

Has anyone found information about this family, especially the earlier generation, it would be of great help

Thanks   

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