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World War Two / Re: Home Guard Cap Badges
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I have seen hundreds of them as I am a tech volunteer at a museum . This is a little different because of the additional information you have and his connections with individuals of national importance in particular Barnes Wallis .
Several of these citations were handed out for distribution by ICI to its platoon leaders as shown by the pencilled name in the top left corner and are still quite rare particularly for a 2ndLt , when there were higher ranks involved.
The use of the word ' original' in the description clearly shows that they had been split up for special duties prior to 44 . Anything like this involving ICI your Dads background from Nobel his connection to Barnes Wallis is not pure coincidence as I shall explain .
I have searched patent under his name and found a Canadian one for a fabric coating from 1948 with no company assignee , so I don't think this is him .
I have searched world patents and the American site has come up with self sealing tanks applied for in 1937 and finalised in 42 with credits going to 2 inventors so nothing there and no citations of any note .I have searched ICI patents and all of this type of work was attributed to the Teeside works and the coated fabrics patented by them were highly complex materials .They patented more products than any other .So this type of material was more than covered by other patents by ICI . And as I mentioned before ICI collaborated with another giant in the US Dupont (hence ICI Dulux) , not only on paints but explosives too a partnership which was dissolved post war . Dupont explosives division evolved from Nobel's .
At Teeside a special team or 'committee' was set up code name 'Tube Alloys ' under Michael Perrin whose job it was to develop the UKs Atomic Bomb .Perrin had joined the company a few years invented polythene , before specifically working on the separation of radioactive materials at ICI Teeside works . There seems to be pattern forming at ICI prior to WW2 ,a notable industrial chemist is hired produces something innocuous and is then quietly moved to a special programme .
This is why I am particularly interested in your Dads work and the the Russian trip as the UK had agreed to share knowledge on the development of fissile materials with their team of scientists doing the same thing , particularly on the containers that held the primary and main charges and development of textiles to protect workers from radiation . Because of negotiations with the Americans arrived at a solution to the financing solution of the ICI atom bomb , Perrin's team joined the Manhattan Project and was instrumental in producing the first atomic bombs to be tested under Oppenheimer .
The rest shall we say is history .
If your Dad was involved in any other company as an engineer for Avro or May and Baker ,Briggs, Royal Ordinance etc, I would agree , but an industrial chemist from Nobel at ICI , who was associated with Barnes Wallis (the inventor of bombers and special bombs) , who although was working at the paints division was developing materials of a protective nature (the work of the Teeside complex), and then the Russian connection involving 'containers of aid' all around the same time makes a person wonder if he was involved in something a little more sensitive than that of HG radar operator (the description given was not even a good one as radar at the time showed a series of vertical spikes on a cathode ray tube across the screen from which the operator could calculate altitude distance etc , this is how they could pin point the launch of V2s in 44 from the CHL stations around the south and east coast until the spike disappeared off the top of the screen !) , doesn't seem to work for me as he was clearly describing the later rotational reflector system rather than the fixed type then in use , no wonder he didn't see much action ! The government pulled the plug on cooperation with the Russians by orders of Washington ( some historians say that this act almost triggered an invasion of the UK by the US at the time as bizarre as this seems ). It appears there was an invasion threat by the Americans details and reasons not very clear , but collaboration with Soviets in the manufacture of an atomic bomb is quite a good one, particularly as we had a strong socialist bordering communist element in the coalition government at the time under Eden.
All this makes you think that there could be more to this than meets the eye .Too much going on behind what appears to be a lame cover story.
It's funny that one of ICI later acquisitions was Norsk Hydro , the company that produced heavy water for the Nazi atomic bomb project ! A lot of people don't know that ICI was in the atom bomb making business during WW2 , thanks to the Americans who take the credit for everything ! In fact during the 20thC the British scientists and engineers patented vastly more important and world changing inventions than any other nation in the world and ICI was responsible for tens of thousands of them !
Perhaps you can now see why I am keen to have a little more information, but if you feel that for whatever reason you don't want to uncover his wartime experience then that is also understandable of course .
Thanks
Malcolm
Several of these citations were handed out for distribution by ICI to its platoon leaders as shown by the pencilled name in the top left corner and are still quite rare particularly for a 2ndLt , when there were higher ranks involved.
The use of the word ' original' in the description clearly shows that they had been split up for special duties prior to 44 . Anything like this involving ICI your Dads background from Nobel his connection to Barnes Wallis is not pure coincidence as I shall explain .
I have searched patent under his name and found a Canadian one for a fabric coating from 1948 with no company assignee , so I don't think this is him .
I have searched world patents and the American site has come up with self sealing tanks applied for in 1937 and finalised in 42 with credits going to 2 inventors so nothing there and no citations of any note .I have searched ICI patents and all of this type of work was attributed to the Teeside works and the coated fabrics patented by them were highly complex materials .They patented more products than any other .So this type of material was more than covered by other patents by ICI . And as I mentioned before ICI collaborated with another giant in the US Dupont (hence ICI Dulux) , not only on paints but explosives too a partnership which was dissolved post war . Dupont explosives division evolved from Nobel's .
At Teeside a special team or 'committee' was set up code name 'Tube Alloys ' under Michael Perrin whose job it was to develop the UKs Atomic Bomb .Perrin had joined the company a few years invented polythene , before specifically working on the separation of radioactive materials at ICI Teeside works . There seems to be pattern forming at ICI prior to WW2 ,a notable industrial chemist is hired produces something innocuous and is then quietly moved to a special programme .
This is why I am particularly interested in your Dads work and the the Russian trip as the UK had agreed to share knowledge on the development of fissile materials with their team of scientists doing the same thing , particularly on the containers that held the primary and main charges and development of textiles to protect workers from radiation . Because of negotiations with the Americans arrived at a solution to the financing solution of the ICI atom bomb , Perrin's team joined the Manhattan Project and was instrumental in producing the first atomic bombs to be tested under Oppenheimer .
The rest shall we say is history .
If your Dad was involved in any other company as an engineer for Avro or May and Baker ,Briggs, Royal Ordinance etc, I would agree , but an industrial chemist from Nobel at ICI , who was associated with Barnes Wallis (the inventor of bombers and special bombs) , who although was working at the paints division was developing materials of a protective nature (the work of the Teeside complex), and then the Russian connection involving 'containers of aid' all around the same time makes a person wonder if he was involved in something a little more sensitive than that of HG radar operator (the description given was not even a good one as radar at the time showed a series of vertical spikes on a cathode ray tube across the screen from which the operator could calculate altitude distance etc , this is how they could pin point the launch of V2s in 44 from the CHL stations around the south and east coast until the spike disappeared off the top of the screen !) , doesn't seem to work for me as he was clearly describing the later rotational reflector system rather than the fixed type then in use , no wonder he didn't see much action ! The government pulled the plug on cooperation with the Russians by orders of Washington ( some historians say that this act almost triggered an invasion of the UK by the US at the time as bizarre as this seems ). It appears there was an invasion threat by the Americans details and reasons not very clear , but collaboration with Soviets in the manufacture of an atomic bomb is quite a good one, particularly as we had a strong socialist bordering communist element in the coalition government at the time under Eden.
All this makes you think that there could be more to this than meets the eye .Too much going on behind what appears to be a lame cover story.
It's funny that one of ICI later acquisitions was Norsk Hydro , the company that produced heavy water for the Nazi atomic bomb project ! A lot of people don't know that ICI was in the atom bomb making business during WW2 , thanks to the Americans who take the credit for everything ! In fact during the 20thC the British scientists and engineers patented vastly more important and world changing inventions than any other nation in the world and ICI was responsible for tens of thousands of them !
Perhaps you can now see why I am keen to have a little more information, but if you feel that for whatever reason you don't want to uncover his wartime experience then that is also understandable of course .
Thanks
Malcolm