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WW1 In Memoriam / Re: John Frederick Griffin, died 25 Sep 1914
« on: Friday 12 February 16 16:54 GMT (UK)  »
You are quite right Imber - I did take the France & Flanders bit from the records of SDGW as it cites  that as the Death Place.  I knew that La Ferte-sous-Jouarre was a Memorial - but didn't realise that it was a freestanding one - I thought it was a Memorial within a War Cemetery.  Thanks for the info.

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WW1 In Memoriam / John Frederick Griffin, died 25 Sep 1914
« on: Thursday 11 February 16 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
John Frederick Griffin. 2nd Battalion, Welsh Regiment. Regimental no. 8456. born 5 Oct 1886. died 25 Sep 1914 in a field somewhere in France.

John Frederick Griffin (my Grandad) was born in Birmingham and for whatever reason, moved to Cardiff and was a Corporal in the Welsh Regiment, in the Maindy Barracks in Cardiff.  This information was given as his address at the time of his marriage to my Grandmother, Grace Lilian Rowe, in 1909.  By the time of the 1911 census he was working on the Railways and they were living in Pontypridd, so he must have left the Army.  When war broke out he re-enlisted (or was recalled from the Reserve).  He was shipped out to France, with the Welsh Regiment - 2nd Battalion, in early August 1914.  He left my Grandmother at home with his two daughters, my mother, Lilian Lottie Griffin and her sister Grace Emily.  At this time my Grandmother was heavily pregnant with what turned out to be his third daughter, my Aunty Dolly (Doris Maud), who was born on the 19th August 1914. As he died on the 25th September, 1914, it is unlikely that news of this third daughter would have reached him.  His name is listed on the La Ferte Sous Jouarre War Memorial on the bank of the River Marne.

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World War One / Re: John Frederick Griffin
« on: Thursday 11 February 16 07:48 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Milly - I've downloaded that book - it looks really interesting.

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World War One / Re: John Frederick Griffin
« on: Tuesday 09 February 16 11:37 GMT (UK)  »
That sounds feasible - you're probably right.  All the battles featured in dramas or books, always seem to be about the Somme or Dunkirk.  I haven't read any yet that cover the very first 6-8 weeks of the war.  Do you know of any that might be interesting?

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World War One / Re: John Frederick Griffin
« on: Tuesday 09 February 16 09:21 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Jim1 - I hadn't heard this statistic previously.  I would assume that if a soldier was shot at dawn, that this would automatically forfeit his right to campaign medals.  If this is so, then I know my Grandad wouldn't have been one of them, as I know my Great-Grandfather applied for, and got, his son's medals.  The Sgt. Teasdale (mentioned in the war diary entry) would probably be one of the ones who escaped being shot at dawn, as I read somewhere that he only had 5 days loss of priveleges for his crimes.

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World War One / Re: John Frederick Griffin
« on: Monday 08 February 16 23:20 GMT (UK)  »
Let's hope he wasn't one of the 346.

Sorry to be a thickie - but one of the 346 what???

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World War One / Re: John Frederick Griffin
« on: Monday 08 February 16 18:55 GMT (UK)  »
No questions really, as I thought this thread was to commemorate soldiers who lives had been lost, but I'm always grateful to receive any extra information.  I can see that my images have not uploaded too well - is there anything I can do to make them more viewable?  I had tried to find out what the battle he would have been caught up in was - so you have answered that question. I have a War Diary transcription of the days surrounding his death and it seems that, yes, they were in a place called Vendresse.  Also of interest in this diary entry is that a soldier had been Court-Martialled for "throwing away his arms in the presence of the enemy" and "creating alarm and despondency"...... see transcription below.


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World War One / John Frederick Griffin
« on: Sunday 07 February 16 18:26 GMT (UK)  »
John Frederick Griffin. 2nd Battalion, Welsh Regiment. Regimental no. 8456. born 5 Oct 1886. died 25 Sep 1914 in a field somewhere in France/Flanders.

John Frederick Griffin (my Grandad) was born in Birmingham and for whatever reason, moved to Cardiff and was a Corporal in the Welsh Regiment, in the Maindy Barracks in Cardiff.  This information was given as his address at the time of his marriage to my Grandmother, Grace Lilian Rowe, in 1909.  By the time of the 1911 census he was working on the Railways and they were living in Pontypridd, so he must have left the Army.  When war broke out he re-enlisted (or was recalled from the Reserve).  He was shipped out to France, with the Welsh Regiment - 2nd Battalion, in early August 1914.  He left my Grandmother at home with his two daughters, my mother, Lilian Lottie Griffin and her sister Grace Emily.  At this time my Grandmother was heavily pregnant with what turned out to be his third daughter, my Aunty Dolly (Doris Maud), who was born on the 19th August 1914. As he died on the 25th September, 1914, it is unlikely that news of this third daughter would have reached him.  His name is listed on a Memorial stone in the La Ferte Sous Jouarre War Cemetery in France.

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