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Banffshire / Re: Bruce and Williamson families
« on: Thursday 03 July 14 15:31 BST (UK)  »
Yes, I suppose that's true ... there's still that connection through the Gaa family! 

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Banffshire / Re: Bruce and Williamson families
« on: Wednesday 02 July 14 10:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi, That's interesting you have a connection to the Cruickshank family, which I was following for a couple of years!  But no, that was a different Jemima Bruce, which I found out the hard way. I spent a lot of time in communication with a woman in Aberdeen who found me on Rootschat, and who was researching the Cruickshank family for a friend. She and I both became convinced that yes, this was our Jemima. I even met that woman when I travelled to Scotland in 2009. As it turned out, only recently (long after I was back in Australia) I accidentally came across a newspaper cutting (Aberdeen Journal) which said that Jemima Duff Bruce, eldest daughter of William Duff Bruce had died at Brooklawn, County Leitrim, Ireland on 23 April, 1837.  Her brother George worked at Brooklawn as an agriculturist for the Earl of Leitrim, so it was definitely her!  I subsequently discovered that Jemima had had a daughter in 1829 by a John Stronach, (illegitimately I believe).

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I did find this in my searches too, and it did cross my mind it was her, because you would have to wonder how many people there could be with this exact same name. However, it is a bit out of area for my/our Lydia French Aylwin who was born in Surrey, however, ignoring that she could have married Vale, it didn't work out (or maybe he died?), and then she took off for Australia. If this IS my girl, she would have been 19 at the time.

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Hmmm

We are still not seeing anything about Lydia (b1814), nor anything of what happened to the children of George AYLWIN and Harriett although NSW BMD does have this death:

1835 #V18351742 19
Mary A AYLWIN, INFANT  (No parent names given)

If this is the child of George and Harriett whose birth (1824) and baptism (1828) was given by Gerry then she would have been about 11.  The term "Infant" was sometimes used to denote a minor.

Of course, we are still not sure if this is the right man  :-\

Judith

Yes, I saw this death too, and wondered if it was their daughter. And yes, also wondering what became of the children of George and Harriet! 

So far Lydia is somewhat of a mystery woman!  Can't find anything on Trove about her, and starting to wonder if she travelled under another name.

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Nor did I (know about the ship's names).  I find the 'new' FamilySearch quite difficult to navigate.

Here is George AYLWYN's actual arrival, per the William Shand into Hobart, 19 August 1822, having left England 1st May

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1089759

Judith

Yes, a big thank you to Merlin for opening up that resource! I had no idea it was there!  I have also been struggling with this new familysearch.

Thanks for the item about the ship Judith!  Priceless!  :)


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The parish register for the 1826 marriage of George AYLWIN & Harriet MONTAGUE gives the ships they arrived on along with further information:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z2z/

Thanks for that Merlin. I didn't know they had the names of ships on these certificates.

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Oh my - sorry.  I have also put in the wrong TROVE reference for the start of the candlemaking business, so have now corrected it in my previous post.  Apologies, again.

Judith

That's alright - I sorted that out too!   ;)


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These snippets are not very helpful and certainly don't give arrivals but you my find them useful IF they relate to the same chap, although it looks as though there may have been more than on George AYLWIN in Tasmania early on.

A George AYLWIN was listed as the licensee of The Ship Inn, Launceston in 1833.  A George AYLWIN is shown arriving in Launceston per ship Prince Regent, 13 October 1829.

Geoerge AYLWIN is appointed District Constable at Launceston, 1826
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628

In 1826 a George AYLWIN of the Cumberland Arms, George St Sydney announces that he has commenced business as a candle maker in Sydney.  A bit of a long shot but could this be the chap who was a tallow chandler in Hobart? However if he is being made a Constable in Launceston the same year ..... IF it is the same man.............. ???
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790628

THe Sydney candle maker takes on Mr Cole as a partner.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36864803

In March 1829 Geroge AYLWIN sells the business to John Cole.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2191935

October 1829 shows Mr George AYLWIN arriving at Launceston from Sydney, on the brig Prince Regent  (As noted above)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84778581

There is mention of Mrs Harriet AYLWIN (who is listed as the wife of George - see above) leaving for Valparaiso on the Esparanza, November 1836. I'm not 100% sure but it seems the ship left from Hobart so possibly there is a connection.  :-\
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12856988

There are hardly any further mentions which seem relevant after this one, although land belonging to "AYLWIN" in Tasmania is mentioned once or twice

Thank you so much, Judith, for digging into these records for me. I have been checking them out for myself and actually you are probably right in saying that this George was the same one who was both the constable in Tasmania, and the candle maker in Sydney. When I checked the newspaper items for myself I noticed you had accidentally put 1826 instead of 1828 as the year for when he started the candle business in Sydney, so he definitely had time to do both!  I'm almost 100% sure that it's the same George I'm looking for ... this one certainly does tick all the boxes, and even his age in the census was very close (he was born in 1799) + the fact that he was a tallow chandler, something that was mentioned in his father's Will). With that Harriet sailing to Valparaiso (Chile) in 1836 it does send my imagination into overdrive and begs the question ... why was she travelling there on her own?  Now, the question is ... how to find George's (and Lydia's) departure from Australia.  Many thanks again!

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Colonial Tasmanian Family Links Detail
George AYLWIN   Harriet MONTAGUE   Launceston 1826

Elizabeth Ann1832   Launceston
Mary Ann 1833        Launceston

Hobart Town Gazette and Van Diemen’s Land Advertiser   18 Jan 1823
....Simon LAKE and George AYLWIN.......business as house and ship smith..tallow chandlers...Macquarie Street

Thanks for this. I'm not sure where they fit into the picture, but the tallow chandler bit is interesting as I've found other Aylwins in the family with that occupation. 


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