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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Gilmores - Robert Gilmore b abt1770 of inshaleen
« on: Sunday 19 December 21 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: aghadowey on Saturday 18 December 21 11:38 GMT (UK)
I could be wrong but I have a terrible suspicion this James Alexander Gilmour might be the one on online tree (in which case not son of this Robert Gilmour)-
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc04Cycl-t1-body1-d7-d56-d2.html
Yes you are right. I've discovered that none of the three James Gilmours on the electoral rolls near Invercargill are the James I'm after, so I have no details at all now, other than the baptism record you suggested.

James Alexander Gilmour c.1857-1937 is the son of James Gilmore of Moneydig (I am learning my Derry geography, I see that's very close to Inshaleen). Interestingly, his son was James Torrence Gilmour.
James Boyd Gilmour c.1844-1933 is from Co. Derry- but wrong d.o.b.
James Gilmour, c. 1839-1919, farmer at Makarewa near Invercargill was Scottish. Right age wrong country.

One James Gilmour whose death is recorded in NZ (1914 at age 75, so born about 1839) has no obituary so I'm stuck there. He may have been the one in Cromwell, Central Otago, in 1877, working as a mail contractor or the one at Goodwood north of Dunedin. I'll keep looking.

I haven't asked- what is your personal connection to these Gilmours?
 

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Gilmores - Robert Gilmore b abt1770 of inshaleen
« on: Saturday 18 December 21 10:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Aghadowey. That's brilliant. That makes sense about James Gilmour as that name appears in the same general area as William and Robert briefly in the 1860s. I'll do some more digging on him and also try to work out if Elizabeth actually existed.

Yes the info I got is from the Bann Valley records: 1840 First Garvagh Presbyterian Church Visitation List
https://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bannvalley/visitation/1840_1/1.html

You may have been in touch with Bruce Gilmour who was in NZ in the 90s researching his grandfather, Adam Orr Gilmour's line. Bruce was Australian- I wonder who the cousin might have been? Last year I actually stayed in the Gladstone Grand Hotel in Fairlie, near Mt Cook, NZ, where Adam and his wife Martha Hunter (Sarah's sister) were the first license holders from 1884-1901. It's still quite original though full of cracks from the earthquake in 2010, and I worry about its future.

On that trip I visited the grave of Sarah Ann Hunter (McPherson) in nearby Temuka and cleaned the lichen off. There is a fascinating obituary written about her in 1892:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LCP18920901.2.16?items_per_page=100&query=%22Sarah+hunter%22&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Gilmores - Robert Gilmore b abt1770 of inshaleen
« on: Friday 17 December 21 10:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi LindeL and Aghadowey, great to hear from you both.

LindeL, which is your Ancestry tree? Mine is the long-winded Gilmour-Hunter-Johnston-Chequer etc etc tree under my name Hayden Trass.

Aghadowey, my Robert Gilmour of Inshaleen probably travelled to Australia in the 1850s - I do know he had already been in NZ about 10 years when he returned to Ireland for a time in 1871 (NZ newspaper records are extensive and record his movements). William stayed behind and ran their flour mill. Robert married Sarah Hunter of Drumadreen (her mother appears to be of the Belraugh McPhersons) as you say, and she returned with him to NZ in 1872. Most of the Hunters followed within a few years. Though she died in 1925, I grew up knowing of Sarah as "Grandma Gilmour"- I have her heirlooms including a very old piece of Irish linen. Anyway, while I am confident of her siblings' identities and whereabouts, the Gilmore/ Gilmours are hard to track.

I know a fair amount about William Gilmour, Robert's brother (they were farmers, butchers and flour millers together till things appear to have soured) but I can't find proof of a middle name anywhere, and not one of Torrance, except on Ancestry trees.

I suspect a number of mix-ups on these trees. I see in the 1818 visitation the following list which you probably know about, LindeL:

Robt Gilmore
Mary his wife
Mary
Robert
Torrance
Jennet
Margt
John

Does anyone know how to see full original copies of these visitation records- surely they've been digitised? There seem to be missing pieces of info:

F040
Robt GILMORE
Names of family
John GILMORE
Mary McNEAL, old woman
F041
Robert GILMORE
John Orr GILMORE
Mary GILMORE
Robt GILMORE
Ellin Jane GILMORE
Wm ______GILMORE
Allen____GILMORE


Thanks all, hope to hear from from you again. I will keep digging... I am writing a book about the family so will persevere. 

Hayden, Wellington NZ

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Gilmores - Robert Gilmore b abt1770 of inshaleen
« on: Monday 16 August 21 11:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi Elle,

I'm sure these are the correct Gilmores/ Gilmours, that is, of Inshaleen. My great grandmother's uncle was John Orr Gilmour, born in NZ in 1875, presumably named after an uncle of the same name in Indiana (John Orr Gilmore), and his grandmother's maiden name Orr. Seems too much of a coincidence that the Visitation records from 1840 at the First Garvagh Presbyterian Church record this name.

The siblings I know of for certain are family who were in NZ are brothers Robert (my 2x ggf) and William, who travelled to Australia (probably in the 1850s) then set up the first butchery near Queenstown in NZ at the time of the 1863 gold rush. They then built a large flour mill. A newspaper record suggests Robert landed in Dunedin in 1858, though this can't be verified. The brothers' name changes from Gilmore to Gilmour in about the 1870s in newspaper and official records.

Their younger brother Adam Orr Gilmour followed them to NZ in about 1873. William retired to Sydney, and Adam followed after William's death in 1908, inheriting his large house at Penshurst. Robert died in 1909 in NZ. I have an extensive tree on Ancestry but am having real trouble confirming the other Gilmores/ Gilmours. Any help would also be appreciated too!

Hayden

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