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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Confirmation of name on 1620 will
« on: Wednesday 15 January 20 21:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much, it was clear to me that Barington it was not but I was really struggling to get anything like Barnesley. There is another B in the will and although not identical by any means is close enough (and sloppy enough in its own right) to add confidence of the initial letter.

And to add to this I find a Thomas Barnesley baptising and burying children in the same parish spanning the date of the will. No evidence yet of him being married to an Isabell (or anybody for that matter) so far from diagnostic but much better than the total lack of evidence for Isabell.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Confirmation of name on 1620 will
« on: Tuesday 14 January 20 16:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have been told that the name in the middle of this extract from a 1620s will is "Isabell Barington". As I've failed to find any evidence of such a person on the search sites I thought I'd ask for a quick sanity check here as to whether that is the correct interpretation of the name as you see it. I fail to find her under her maiden name of Cottryll/Cottrell/Cotterell either so it could just be that records for her are lost.

Many thanks in advance

PS I can post a larger extract from the will if that would be useful for letter comparison etc

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Worcestershire / Re: St Peters Catholic Church Bromsgrove
« on: Monday 13 January 20 20:34 GMT (UK)  »
wrt fhs-online, you can access it for free for the Worcestershire sub-set at the Hive using their account. Just ask one of the staff at the records office desk (when it is open). Given what has already been stated probably not going to help with your research  for St Peters but it is a very useful resource if you are searching within Worcetsershire (you get less "noise" than you'd get with ancestry, finmypast or family-search - the first two can also be accessed for free at the Hive).

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Lawty Family
« on: Thursday 09 January 20 20:58 GMT (UK)  »
I'd second Bake House Yard.

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Herefordshire / Re: Ruck family of Orcop
« on: Thursday 09 January 20 20:50 GMT (UK)  »
Have you looked at the Ruck section here: http://www.peasantstopuddles.org/ruck.htm ? Orcop gets a mention.

My mother-in-law's maiden name was Ruck and her branch of the family came from West Malvern, right on the border between Worcestershire and Herefordshire - that's for the 20th century, prior to that I seem to recall Mathon being mentioned. She talked of a Welsh connection too (and has Evans in her ancestry, but I guess everybody from Wales does).

Although she did a lot of family research herself before she got ill and died in 2015 it's all a bit of a muddle (as it seems father-in-law directed the research mainly to his side of the family). If you do find, or suspect, a West Malvern/Mathon connection I can see what she has left.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: More help with 1556 will
« on: Wednesday 08 January 20 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
The attached come from two other Worcestershire dyer inventories (1556 and 1541) and you will see that both have "leads" and either "woodfaats" or "woddfates", all found in the "work house". Interestingly, the first also mentions "woodfate staves" and "water fates".

The closest I've yet to find for a Tudor period "fate" is from a book on East Anglia terminology of the period which as a "fat" meaning a "vat" (which would make sense of water fates). So I now lean to the opinion that a "lead/lede" is a metal vessel and that the dyeing process also required wooden vessels - the "woodfates". I've also seen the term "leed" described as being "lid" - I don't think that really fits (sic) though.

This always assumes I've transcribed properly, but for once the writing is mostly clear.

As ever feedback, thoughts and corrections are most welcomed. I hope I've not bored you all too much on this - I think I'm about done now ;D

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: More help with 1556 will
« on: Tuesday 07 January 20 14:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, I've been mislead then by various thesauruses then where the nouns furnace and forge are given as mutual synonyms.

wrt Bed and Woodf... I've only come across beds being bequeathed with bedsteads, the two being separate entities in those times (mattress and frame?), so I believe. I've not come across a term relating to bed or bedstead beginning "Woodf".

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: More help with 1556 will
« on: Tuesday 07 January 20 14:00 GMT (UK)  »
I say forge just because it would fit closer than with furnace with what is written. To me a forge is as much the fire as the blacksmiths workshop itself so I was thinking (albeit wishfully) that a dyer might also use one to heat his dyeing vessel.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: More help with 1556 will
« on: Tuesday 07 January 20 12:35 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure if anybody is still interested but I was reading a book called "Worcester in the 16th Century" by Alan D Dyer (which is of course an apt name for this thread) who says this related to a study of Tudor wills of some Worcester dyers "Most of this sum {ie inventory} was accounted for by the large vats and furnaces required..."

So it is not unreasonable to assume that the mysterious word is either woodforge or some local dialect for this. I admit it is hard to make the letters fit forge, but maybe (just maybe) it's written "woodfaurge".

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