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Hello

I'm looking for some help tracing a Thomas Vanhack Ovens (born 1816 Cornhill London to James Ovens and Margaret Allanson). His baptisim record shows first names as Thomas Vanhack and surname Ovens.

He married a Mary Ann Lynham on 9th Nov 1863 in Newport Hampshire. I believe they had a number of children on the Isle of White before they were married (Margaret 1858, Mary Ann 1861, Joseph 1863, Frances Ann 1865). I've found a possible birth of a son in Clifton Gloucestershire (Alfred 1868) and an Ethel Gwendoline in 1885 in Bath. Mary Ann Lynham was born in 1838 in Bath so she may have returned to her home town.

Before his marraige to Mary Ann, Thomas Vanhack Ovens had 2 sons (William 1843-1863) and Thomas (1849-1913) born possibly London to another mother. I've been unable to find any birth records only poor school records, census records, the marriage record of son Thomas and death record of son William. So we have no record of who the mother may be. My family line is through the son Thomas. Thomas and William had the surname "Vanhackovens" it appears it was incorrectly transcribed on the Poor School records. In the census data of 1861 they were at the Poor School in Hanwell Middlesex.

I've been unable to find Thomas Van Hack Ovens in the 1851 census as I had hoped it would show him living with William and Thomas and their mother. I can't find any death record and the last official record is his marriage to Mary Ann Lynham. The only other clue I have is on the marriage record of his son he writes his father was a mariner/seaman.

And to add to the mystery son Thomas for some reason changes his name to Henry Whitlock after the death of his first wife Mary Ann Meakings. But thats another mystery to solve! I have posted on the Middlesex forum some time ago and got alot of this information from there but I thought as he was last seen in South Hampton I would try here.

Many thanks
Julie

Quote from: Korowe on Wednesday 02 August 23 12:31 BST (UK)

I have a death certificate for William which says he died 27th May 1863, aged 20 in the City of London Union Workhouse Bromley.

Buried 1 June 1863, City of London Cemetery
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1860-to-december-1869/register-008/1064964

Thank you very much for this link, it will come in handy for further research.

Hello

I've posted previously about William Vanhackovens and his brother Thomas and I'm still trying to find any document which might verify their parents. All I currently have are Poor School Records that mention their father was in the workhouse and they were possibly from CornHill Parish. And for Thomas his marriage certificate mentions his fathers name is Thomas and a mariner. I did find a baptisim for a Thomas Van Hack Ovens (ie middle name Van Hack, surname Ovens) in 1816 and I believe he is the best candidate for their father. I just need to prove this but have not found baptisim records for William and Thomas.

I have a death certificate for William which says he died 27th May 1863, aged 20 in the City of London Union Workhouse Bromley. Cause of death was epillepsy.

First up, I thought Bromley was in Kent (I'm in Australia but have lived in London for a few years) so I'm just trying to understand if this City of London workhouse was actually situated outside of London.

Secondly, I'm trying to find any record of Williams admission to the Workhouse, I've not had much luck on Ancestry and have been researching all Williams who may have been admitted sometime between 1843 and 1863. Any suggestions on further research?

Many Thanks
Julie 

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who went on to marry a Mary Ann Lynham

What year was that please?

Married 1863 in Newport Hampshire, I believe Thomas was a mariner as when the younger Thomas married that is what was on his marriage certficate for the grooms father.

Hello All,

I'm still digging around the Vanhackovens/Ovens family....trying to find the parents of a William (born around 1844) and Thomas (born around 1849) Vanhackovens/Ovens. Birth years from Poor school records. Their father was a Thomas and I have found a baptisim entry for a Thomas Van Hack Ovens (middle name Van Hack), who went on to marry a Mary Ann Lynham and had a number of children but not Thomas and William. He was 47 at the time of this marriage, so I'm assuming he may have been married previously.

I have come across a baptisim entry for a William Ovens, born 30th Dec 1843 and sent off for the birth record from the GRO which gives the mothers name as Mary Ann Ovens "formerly Dandy" and place of birth "Georges Yard". I have not found baptisim records for young Thomas.

I would like to get the marriage details of the parents Mary Ann and Thomas Ovens but have had no luck finding a record for a Dandy / Ovens marriage.  I've tried all the usual places MH, FindMyPast, Ancestry, FREEBMD, Family Search, but no luck even trying to confirm who this Mary Ann Dandy could be or further details on her husband. Any ideas on where else I could look?

William Ovens bapt 25 Feb 1844 St Mary, Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets
son of Thomas & Mary Ann Ovens

Many thanks!