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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Shipping records or similar
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 22:26 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Sunday 05 March 23 22:19 GMT (UK)
Hi

How can you search any crew manifest if you don't have a name?

So the DNA tests gave us an ethnic identity for the person (which was wonderful information for my wife because she knows more about her identity) and there are quite a lot of recurring surnames cropping up in the trees of the DNA matches.  These aren't particularly close matches, but I think it at least gives me enough to go on the sift through lists of names and find potential candidates.

I'm trying to be vague about the country of origin, but it seems clear to me that it's unlikely he would have been working on a ship from his native country, and therefore I think his name might stick out like a sore thumb as well.  Or maybe landlocked countries do lots of shipping?

I agree though, this seems desperate, but I have some quite precise two week windows which I would need to search through, so could be doable.

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Family History Beginners Board / Shipping records or similar
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 22:12 GMT (UK)  »
I'm not entirely sure if this belongs here, but I'm not sure where else I might go to get help.

I'm looking for shipping records or crew manifests 1978-79.  A foreign man would come and visit Liverpool on a cargo ship on which he was working every few months.  I'm looking for when I might find lists that I can search of passengers/crew on boats around that time so I can track him down.

This all sounds so very cryptic.  It's so my wife can find her father, who she never knew and her mother never got a name - these things happen.  We've already gone down the DNA test route on all sites, and no matches over 100cM yet.

I'm wondering whether a non-citizen might have left other traces in the UK on a visit?

Any ideas gratefully received!

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Armed Forces / Re: Gleaning as much information as possible from an attestation record
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 12:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jebber on Wednesday 21 September 22 21:44 BST (UK)
This may be of interest, although the age is out, that could easily be a mistake. If he was in bad health he could easily have looked eight years older, the landlady May not have known his true age.

In the South of England Advertiser 25 August 1929.

Guildford, at an Inquest on Friday on Robert Ingram known as Wm. Robert Williams (51) builder's foreman, of Woodlands, Peasmarsh, it was stated by his landlady  he took the name of Williams because he was a deserter from the army. Ingram, was taken suddenly ill, was found to be suffering from heart disease in an advanced state.


Here is the reference to order the death certificate,  if you wish.
Deaths December 1929  INGRAM Robert,   Hambledon, Vol 2a, Page 237.

Wow, many thanks for finding this - that's a great find!  This looks really interesting and something that I hadn't considered.  It's close to Aldershot where he was last recorded as being and there is a compelling story behind his name change, the only issue is the age.  Before I order the death cert, I checked FreeBMD and the index indicates the same age of death as the landlady - the age on FreeBMD is likely to coincide with the birth certificate right?


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Armed Forces / Gleaning as much information as possible from an attestation record
« on: Tuesday 20 September 22 22:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

My great grandfather went off to war and as far as we know, never returned to his wife and child.  There is no record of his death, getting married again or anything else.  The last records that we have of him are his appearance in the 1921 census at barracks in Aldershot and his attestation for Royal Tank Corps Enlistment in 1919 (attached).

The attestation entry is fascinating and is something that we have only recently just discovered and I have a number of questions regarding the details and I wonder if anyone here can help with any insights?

  • Why is there a name of another soldier (Cooks C.) listed in red pen at the bottom of the entry?  I have looked at said soldier on Folio 18 and there is nothing remarkable there.
  • In pencil it is noted that he deserted in 1922.  Would there be any other formal record relating to his desertion?  Court marshall?  Can anyone speculate as to why someone would desert in 1922? I could understand 1914-18 more so, but he seemed to survive the war, why desert in 1922?
  • In the transfer to or from Regiment column it lists his previous service.  I cannot find any record of my grandfather in any other military document.  I've searched on ancestry, findmypast, fold3, forces records, ... just nothing, but he seems to have been involved in at least 4 other regiments.  Also, 13th Hussars is written in the same penmanship as the rest of the line, but the other service history is written in a different pen and style.  Would this have been added later? and why?  Also, would a trip to the national archives potentially unveil some records?
  • His wife and child (my grandfather) is written in different pen.  The wife and children is underlined in red?  The father's address is added in pencil.  None of the other attestation entries on the page had anything other than spouse or parent.  Why would the Father's contact details have been added in pencil at a later date?
  • Almost everyone else on this page has a list of medals.  This record has none.  He seemed to have spent nearly 3 years in France - which seemed more than others on the page.  Would he have been a terrible solider if he didn't even get a single medal?
  • The vibe I get from this is that for whatever reason he didn't want to return to his wife and child.  After 4 years of war, why would you enlist again for 3 more years?  And then why desert?
  • Was it common for people in the forces to just disappear?  Maybe start a new life abroad? Under a different identity?

Would love to hear from anyone with any insights whatsoever that could help me unlock this family mystery.




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