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Hertfordshire / Re: Herts Reformatory Chapmore End
« on: Sunday 11 June 06 15:16 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jan,
Have just discovered my ancestor Harry Saltmarsh born Gt. Hallingbury as a criminal under sentence of detention at the Herts Reformatory, Bengoe in 1871, age 15.
By 1876 he had emigrated to Canada, and married.
Have been reading a bit about the school:

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/archives/education/victorian_crime/children.htm
http://www.missing-ancestors.com/hertfordshire_reformatory_for_boy%20ware%20info.htm
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/archives/education/victorian_crime/Victorians_Teaching_Pack.pdf
Regards,
Carolyn

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor in Parkhurst Prison
« on: Friday 09 June 06 23:11 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: sjsbc on Monday 20 September 04 00:06 BST (UK)
Hi,

Found this on the 1861 census for essex HO/107

SALTMARSH, CHARLES, 38, piece 807, folio 93   LHA
 and on the same folio

SALTMARSH, GEORGE, 9, piece 807, folio 93   LHA

SALTMARSH, HENRY, 6, piece 807, folio 93   LHA

SALTMARSH, JAMES, 15, piece 807, folio 93   LHA

SALTMARSH, SARAH, 37,  piece 807, folio 93   LHA

SALTMARSH, THOMAS, 3, piece 807, folio 93   LHA

SALTMARSH, WILLIAM, 11, piece 807, folio 93   LHA

This should help you get a look up.  I think LHA stands for Little Hadham, but a look up would give you more details.
Having just confirmed the marriage of my ancestor Henry "Saltmark" in Ontario, Canada in 1876, aged 22, purported to have been born in Essex, this post gives me an invaluable lead.
Thank you very much!
Kind regards,
Carolyn

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestor in Parkhurst Prison
« on: Friday 09 June 06 22:59 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Laurel on Friday 13 August 04 23:34 BST (UK)
I have been reading other posts from members concerning ancestors in prison and I do seem resigned to the fact that I may not ever be able to find out what crime my ancestor committed!

His name was Charles Saltmarsh born in 1824 and listed on the 1881 census as a convict age 57 in parkhurst Prison and gives his profession as a gardner / servant. He was living in Bishops Stortford, Essex. His daughter Ester was married in 1879 and these details correlate with her fathers profession on her marriage certificate. From looking on freebmd, I think he died in Bishops Stortford,as this is where the death was registered, age 73.

Can I then conclude from this that he didn't die in prison (as the death was registered in B Stortford? I also don't seem to be able to find and details about his wife and other children (if any) and what happened to them (workhouse or orphanage).

I have only just started uncovering the roots of my family tree and already am humbled from reading between the lines about how tough life was for our ancestors. Thanks for any advice.
Hello
Replying to you two years later.
Given the subsequent reply you had from the 1861 Census for Essex about a Charles Saltmarsh and a Sarah Saltmarsh, in their thirties with their children, I think I have found my ancestor Henry Saltmarsh, one of their children, aged 6 in 1861.
He emigrated to Canada where he was married in 1876, as Henry "Saltmark." By 1901 (and certainly earlier), he had changed his name to Marshall. Family legend is that the name change was due to a criminal past.
Do keep in touch. There might be a connection here.
Regards
Carolyn (Montreal Canada)


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