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Kirsty

If this was the Cade Street Independent, then they were not anything in particular. It was apparently set up by George Gilbert (28-4-1741 to 23-3-1827).

"A wild, reckless and  immoral soldier he was converted to 'Methodism' in 1766 and soon after became overseer of the workmen on the estate of his commanding officer, by now Lord Heathfield, at Heathfield Park. "

That was taken from Errey: Roots Branches and Leaves by Neil Errey, ISBN 0 9592787, Adelaide, Australia, 1982. I believe it is attributed to "Whe Worthies of Sussex" by M.A. Lower.

There is a lot more information in the book on George Gilbert and I guess the source, so I will not type it here. The HIC (Heathfield Independent Church) featuress heavily in the Errey Book and the author assumes/suggests it is the same one set up by George Gilbert. Some Errey women married Gilberts (unsure if related to George Gilbert).  There are lots of mentions of the role of the HIC in Neil's book. It also mentions that the Errey's that came to Australia were not opposed to establishing their own, unconnected chapels.

 Aaron states no relatives were living here but both Samuel and Mary Ann had already arrived, a strange family.
Mary Ann Roser[nee Baker] said the same thing but Samuel had arrrived a few months earlier maybe with her first husband being a convict they did not want to associate with her?

Colin

Aaron may have had to say that no family was living here to get cheaper rates, if he came assisted.

He may not have know where Samuel & Mary Ann were. At the time, 1857, they were working on Hamilton Hume's first property at Appin.

Umm, I thought Mary Ann Roser(nee baker) came out a few years after Samuel, Mary Ann & Alice Baker (Pamyra in Sept 1838).

Hi Terry,
I know you want to chase your loose women  (couldn't resist that) but you might like to put these findings on the back-burner for later concerning your ROSE family!

A good joke hangs around {:-).
I actually said it to my mother when she telephoned yesterday to say that "shock" Dad had decided (against persistant practice) that he wanted a party for his 75th birthday. I'll wait and see if Dad is in a really good mood for his 75th and asks where they are.

Actually, Mary Rose is one of them and now  is looking like the easiest to find.

" Death certificate gave Fr Jno ROSE and Mr Unknown UNKNOWN."
I take that to read, father John Rose & MRS. Unknown?

Yes.

The only marriage on the SMI for the right time-frame is;
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Waldron being adjacent to Heathfield & Mayfield.

I lack the geographical knowledgecurrently to do this. That is why the interest in maps. Local.live looked interesting until it started insisting that Mayfield was in Kentucky. {:-(

I think I looked at a wider time range. given that I do no know where in the range of children Mary was, first, last, middle. Given good tucker(food) my ancestors popped out and raised anything up to 10-13 children per generation. Arrivals were from 18 months to 3 years.

I also looked at a wider area as Thomas Errey was described as a traveller in the Errey book, including going to London and I have Collins in middle somerset where dad married someone from east side and son from west side. Markets, Family connection?, religious interest (he built a chapel in Vic, Australia and was associated with Highfield Independent church [HIC]).

So there was Philadelphia, Elizabeth, Francis, An and Sarah. Only Francis appears in the grandchildren and the family definitely had a naming pattern (not that I full understand it yet).

OTOH John does not appear anywhere in the direct descendants, so that also causes strong doubt in my mind. If the death certificate informant did not know her mothers name, did he really know her fathers name. Forgot to ask Neil Errey (book author) this last night.

The lack of information in the IGI and the large number of "missing" (not yet transcribed* parish registers online (e.g HIC marriages and all of All Saints Heathfield) makes me think that I really need to go back and search parish registers.

The Access to Archives (A2A) site has a lot to offer under the name ERREY & when searching the name Rose.  http://www.a2a.org.uk/

Thanks. I've learnt a bit more jargon.

I am interested in all the comments and suggestions. My comments are just my expressing my thoughts. I am very cautious in adding people to the tree because as many people have found, it is so easy to graft on the wrong limb.

For example, someone recently sent me a whole Gurnett limb (Thomas Errey's mother was a Gurnett from Surrey) that goes way back. Well a couple of generations further than the Errey part. Even though it is all supported in the IGI  (must have been a consistently church going family) there is no proof it is the correct Gurnett line. I received a chart, and looked in the IGI, but until some sources come through, it will always be doubtful in my mind. It also has the problem that the male line names Bryan, Brian, George, John, John also do not appear in any of the descendants of this couple.

To illustrate why. I have a problem with a Mary Crouch in the  same locality. There are multiple Mary Crouchs all born around the period in the same location. It would be so easy just to pick one family and erroneously add them. Similarly, fathers names do not appear in descendants.

OTOH, I understand the early parts of the Errey book is based on a One Name detailed study of Errey carried out by Gordon Hope. It did a good job of listing all the Erreys they could find in 1970/80s.

This family history is really an on-going who dunnit with some very intriguing twists. I've been pottering with it for about 30 years, so I don't mind taking my time.

Thank you for your comments.

Thank You Jane.

1841 census is spot on.
1851 is their family.

Thank you for map link. book marked.
Especially since it help me understnad my problem {:-). I still have a bit to learn as do not know which are parishes and which are locations {:-(

About Rose family. I am dubious about making a connection. I would virtually have to build up the families for all ROSE families in East Sussex+. I am just not finding adequate Rose birth lists atm, but will perserve.

<Woop, woop, brain alert, go look at death certificate and hope someone listed parents there, that might solve it.>