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Armed Forces / Re: Battle of Jutland - struggling to find a record
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 22:56 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: tonepad on Tuesday 12 November 24 15:56 GMT (UK)
Did Herbert Hargreaves have at least two children in WW1,  a girl in 1915 and a boy in 1917?
The father's occupation should be on the children's birth certs or baptism records.


Tony

Hi Tony

Yes he did. I never thought to check their birth certificates and I have found the answer! See pic. So not the navy but the army?!

Thank you ever so much for the tip!

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Armed Forces / Re: Battle of Jutland - struggling to find a record
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 22:50 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: martin hooper on Tuesday 12 November 24 10:55 GMT (UK)
There's a Herbert Wilson Hargreaves in findmypast Jutland servicemen.

Martin

Thank you Martin. This is a different chap - this guy was born in Bacup Lancashire

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Armed Forces / Re: Battle of Jutland - struggling to find a record
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 22:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 12 November 24 10:18 GMT (UK)
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-of-the-first-world-war/

Thank you for this - I’ve had a good look and can’t find anything. Something is telling me that this story wasn’t true!

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Armed Forces / Battle of Jutland - struggling to find a record
« on: Tuesday 12 November 24 08:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone

I am trying to find military records for my Great Grandfather Herbert Hargreaves (also know Herbert Howard when he was a young boy).

DOB 27th April 1885, born Bury, Lancashire.

My dad was told by his Dad that Herbert served in the Navy and was at the Battle Of Jutland in 1916. Apparently he lost his eye in battle.

I cannot find anything at all that relates to this - now we are wondering if it was a made up fantasy!

Can anyone help point me in the direction of where I should be looking for records? I have tried Fold3, Ancestry, Familysearch and MyHeritage.

Here’s to hoping someone can help!

Thank you

Vicki

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The Common Room / Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jomot on Friday 11 October 24 00:16 BST (UK)
Also a catholic burial on 23 Dec 1932 at Ford Cemetery, Elizabeth Saunderson aged 83 of 126 Smithdown Road. 

This may not be her, but Smithdown Road is again in the same general area, running along Toxteth Park Cemetery.

Might be worth a £3 punt on the death certificate?

This doesn’t give much away unfortunately…

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The Common Room / Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Yes - here it is

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The Common Room / Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 09:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Friday 11 October 24 14:37 BST (UK)
Baptism 10th November 1872 - birth 1st Nov 1872
St Michael’s Liverpool
George Saunders , son of James and Eliza Saunders nee Higgins
Godparents Thomas Feeney and Elizabeth McGlynn

(Transcribed as ‘Riggins’ on Anc.)

Great find thank you!

Bit strange that on George’s birth certificate, there was no father named and Eliza was named as Higgins, but 9 days later, Eliza is named as Saunders!

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The Common Room / Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 09:26 BST (UK)  »
I have viewed the birth registrations for both George and William.

George Saunderson
HIGGINS
1st Nov 1872
(Looks like) Aygeia Street, Everton
No father named
Mother - mark of Eliza Higgins


William Saunderson
ROSE
7th Dec 1881
43 Mozart St, Liverpool
Father: William Rose - Butcher
Mother: Mark of Eliza Rose, formerly Higgins

So my feeling was correct - the brothers
Were not born Saunderson - that was their given name but clearly they adopted it is a surname, but why??? And, indeed they were only half brothers.

This is where my head is going… Eliza had George with (James) Saunderson but couldn’t name him as the father as they weren’t married. She married James Saunderson later, hence Eliza/Elizabeth Saunderson. James died and she went on to marry William Rose, and had son William. To keep the same name for the brothers, they also gave him Saunderson as a middle name. The weird thing is though - why would William go on to call himself Saunderson even though his fathers name was Rose?!

The plot thickens….

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The Common Room / Re: Any tips for unlocking a dead end?
« on: Saturday 12 October 24 07:34 BST (UK)  »
Apologies for the late reply everyone, I’ve not had chance to look at everyone’s replies for the past couple of days.

Thank you all so much for the research and the clues - I really appreciate it.

Quite a lot of info to go through here and piece together - so think I will have an interesting weekend!

I look forward to sharing more info with you soon, and thanks once again

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