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Hi again,

Sorry I have been away, real life keeps interrupting my searching :-(

Thanks again for all your research. I have found a copy of a Sarah Bates birth cert attached to a tree on ancestry, unfortunately it is very small and difficult to read. However I am pretty sure that it says Father James Bates and mother Mary Ann Johnson. That is what the tree owner has listed the parents as. I have sent a message to the owner.

I will go ahead and order the marriage cert of Sarah Groves & Thomas Richardson. I think this is the only way I can be sure that the birth cert the other tree holder has is the same Sarah.

Sarah's daughter's birth cert said mother - Sarah Richardson, late Groves, formally Waterfall so I am keen to see who Sarah listed as her father on her marriage and I am happy that this Sarah is the correct one.

I have attached a copy of Mary Ann Richardson's birth cert and the small copy of Sarah's birth cert.

I am just doing a quick reply to thank you all for helping with this. I am work at the moment so have not got my files with me but I just wanted to make sure you all know how grateful I am.

It would appear that James was James Bates Waterfall and his surname was interchangeable?  He chose to register his children as Bates but list them on  the census return as Waterfall.

The other curious thing is if the death of of Sarah that lizdb found is correct then some of his children had a different mother as they were born after 1847?

I have just taken a months subscription for FindMyPast and seen the army record for James, looks like he enjoyed a wee dram keyboard86,  but at least it does show his full name.

Thanks again to all your time

Thanks,  that does look like telling same family. Interestingly her husband Thomas is not there but Richard is still listed as step-son.

Oh well, I am sure they will turn up somewhere,  thanks again

I was just going to mention that too ..curious indeed