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John Hood mariner widower husband of wife  Elizabeth who died 1775.

If he remarried post 1775 - Scenario question 1: did he marry a widow with a son George who took John Hood's surname.

Scenario question 2: Did he marry a single woman with an illegitimate son who took John Hood's surname.

Scenario question 3: John Hood married and had his own son George (No record of only the Gateshead baptism)
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These are real thing years in  happenings in (underlined)that can't be ignore  :-\

Jane Hood burial wife of John Hood mariner 1803 burial Selby ( actual factual event with no other before death info) could be mother of George

Elizabeth Leppington Hood John's first wife died 1775 Scarborough.


George Hood son of John  Baptism 1786 Gateshead  ( actual factual event with no other after life or death info)

George Hood turns up in Wren lane Copper business Selby 1812





 

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Regarding, George Son of John Hood, baptised Gateshead 1786, this might be him in 1825.

Tyne Mercury, 15 November 1825
Charities.-The debtors of Newcastle return grateful thanks to George Hood, Esq. Sheriff, for 11.


Newcastle on Tyne area.

Maybe a first name mis-print see page 7 and page 8 in link below only Hood sheriff of Newcastle was John Lionel Hood in the 1800's

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Local_Historian_s_Table_Book/PE9BAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=george+hood+sheriff+of+newcastle&pg=PA8&printsec=frontcover

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Selby.

George's childhood schooling, then adolescent vocational education leading him into various businesses of a cooper, tanner and brewer trade each needing a long apprenticeship, George's ability or knowledge of running and build up a business. The only answer I can think of your George Hood was not a working skilled tradesman but a man of means by 1812 onwards buying into run down business and building them up as an administrator of the businesses.

George came from somewhere ? being educated, he needed a certain wealth to buy into businesses and that alone usually means there should be a paper trail of records by education (statute laws about education, on businesses and transfers of them or parish rules & regs of people living in them to start with ~ like taxes) behind him of his beginnings.

Doing a stint as the overseer of the poor for a time suggests he was well into the C of E parish religion.

Altogether George's life does not make sense unless he change his baptised/birth name  ???

George left his paper trail or footprint after 1812/1815 onwards in Selby ol'reight' ~~~~ lots of it.  ~ but not before ?







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Hi Mark



Down stream family connections through marriages are usually  a couple meeting by chance.

Evelyn Hood Marshall (a descendant of George Hood via his Son, John Hood of Selby, Tanner / Fellmonger) married Thomas Grubb descendant of Maudland (nee Hood) Turner in 1906 marriage .

Only connection of John Hood mariner died 1819 Selby of Scarborough to George Hood cooper 1812 of Wren lane Selby is the first meeting by chance a century later   of descendant couple  Evelyn Hood Marshall and Thomas Grubb married 1916

In my view !
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( In that drama " Woman of substance"   Emma Harte from being a maid for the rich Fairley family mill owners,  till Emma left them and built a wealthy empire herself, she hated the Fairley family later she acquired the Fairly family house from a gambling son losses and had the house pulled down brick by brick also the land grassed over as a park for local folk.

About 50 years later Emma gathered her family to reveal the contents of her Will before she died
 - her granddaughter engaged boyfriend surname was a  Fairley family descendant - Emma's family thought she would have excluded her granddaughter out of her Will knowing how much Emma hated the Fairley Family

Emma asked her granddaughter one question- Where did she meet her boyfriend - on a bus said the granddaughter - Emma said - Oh ! a chance meeting - she said and put her in her (Emma's) Will. )


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Hi Mark

Keeping to basics

To be honest, the way you have searched for George Hood of Selby's beginnings deeply over many years, for or finding records that have survived (Much admiration of you in doing so - as most people would have given up) but its seems no records have survived on George to even hint of his life before 1812 in Selby unless he was adopted and renamed from his birth/baptised full first and surname which would explain why there is nothing in documentation on George after such research been done Also nothing in doc's on how he acquired his trade skills, (7 years apprenticeships usually needed for each trade) Cooper, Tanner and Brewer.

Indecently there was nothing found that survived in documentation after George Hood son of John
 Hood  baptism 1786 Gateshead, like a marriage, burial or a following life either. :-\

So its seems no records have to survived to proved anything only circumstantial documents suggesting Scarborough through Maudland Hood which brings in John Hood mariner post 1775 if he remarried again and if it was Jane (Maiden name ~ ? )Hood wife of John the mariner buried Selby 1803 or another lady and maybe more children.(One being George born abt 1786)

A Puzzle. ???

Dave

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Durham / Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 04:08 BST (UK)  »
Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years.


Possible Quaker link if it could be proven -
Now if this could be proved true and Mary Barton was of the Barton family of Scarborough, that would mean the Grandmother of Maudland Turner (nee Hood) was almost certainly from a family with Quaker family links.

1753 Malton Monthly Quaker Meeting
Jeremiah Barton Son of William Barton late of Scarborough deceased ...
Married
Elizabeth Ruston daughter of Thomas Ruston late of Scarborough also deceased.
Relations
Mary Ruston
Barbara Ruston
Robert Ruston
Joshua Reeve
Sarah Gott
Jemima Reeve
Ann Saul

Other attendees at the marriage are named
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Discussed before, the son of John Hood of Scarborough buried at Old Malton.

1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'

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Court of Chancery
   
Short title: Betson v Noble.

Document type: Depositions.

Plaintiffs: Thomas Barton and Mary Barton, infants (by George Marshall).

Defendants: Matthew Noble, Mark Noble and Richard Peacock (executors of Gawen Noble, deceased) and others.

Depositions taken at Scarborough, Yorkshire.

Date of bill (or first document): 1724.


Comment
Now if these Barton children in the Court case were linked to the above Barton family of Scarborough and of Malton by 1753 (some of whom were Quakers) and if the catalogue description is a good summary, it would appear to link two Barton children with a Marshall? Or he had been appointed to represent / Tutor (case not seen).

If so, this might explain why Mary Ann Prince [Daughter of James Prince of Scarborough, later of Selby] was present also as a witness at 1794 Selby marriage of Charles Turner & Maudland Hood, because James Prince married Grace Marshall at Scarborough.
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We have proven (by signature comparison) the Stears signature at the 1794 Charles Turner = Maudland Hood, marriage was a Quaker.

Mark

Hi Mark

(I'll leave it now with this !! )

Picture forming - dates realistically fit after death of Elizabeth Hood (Spencer-Leppington ) 1775 to baptism of James Hood son of John mariner. 1781 Old Malton (George Hood birth approx 1786)
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Fact:

Jane Hood Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, 65 years burial Selby 1803   (but no other info on her ?)
 (WHY )




Scenario :

A Quaker marriage between 1775 to (Baptism of James Hood Old Malton 1781) 1781 of Jane ???? (burial wife of John Hood 1803 Selby) x John Hood ....................?

Fact:

1781 Old Malton
James Son of John Hood of Scarbro'


(George Hood born 1786 approx from his death age 60 in 1846 Selby)



and

Fact:

Some of George's children had Quaker wives. ?

Fact :

George Hood burial 1846 aged 60 none practicing Quaker but buried in Quaker burial ground Selby
   (WHY )

Dave

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The Common Room / Re: Parish burials
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 04:22 BST (UK)  »
  It also depends where in the country they were. Dobfarm is describing North country parishes, I think, which bears little resemblance to the parishes in my area, which are smaller with one ancient church and graveyard.

I agree, there was ancient  parishes of various sizes and its not always the case a member of the  parish church (Minster) is buried in that churchyard, there is a case were one male who died 1845 died aged 60 years who had been a Overseer in the Selby (Minster) parish  administration was found buried in a Quaker burial ground as a none practicing member.

There are cases where a deceased was buried in the nearest churchyard ? even though it was in another parish to their abode, as parish boundaries and road routes to nearest church were not always the same thing - that could be miles difference in travel their own parish church. (Mostly in rural countryside parishes)

Best take nothing for granted in genealogy

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1781 Old Malton
James son of John Hood of Scarbro'

Has James's burial place been checked for an Headstone or MI records in Old Malton  C of E ( or Quaker) burial ground.

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The Common Room / Re: Parish burials
« on: Monday 06 May 24 21:27 BST (UK)  »
As already posted it depends on the time period of a burial, early 19th century, 18th century or before were big parishes with a mother parish church with it own churchyard, but the parish had chapelry churches with their own churchyards in different villages in the big parish and the burial sometimes recorded in chapelry register and duplicated in the parish mother church register.

It could get more complicated when  2 or more big parishes boundary met in the same village
 
For example;- Holmfirth in the then old West Riding of Yorkshire in England UK, Kirkburton Parish was in the south of Holmfirth and Almondbury parish in the north but the mother churches of both parishes were miles away near Huddersfield and close to each other by a mile or two. Then to make life more complicated some pockets in Holmfirth Almondbury parish boundary belonged to Kirkirburton parish.  (One big headache for a researcher  :(:)



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Hi Mark,

You have  posted a lot of research over a few years - so duplicating is likely by other members
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another scenario

 Jane Hood who died 1803 Selby makes me wonder ? if she was a Quaker originally (Quaker marriage) but she buried C of E ( husband John Hood's religion ? possible mother of George )

We thought George being buried in  Selby Quaker burial ground as a none practicing member of the Quakers, left us thinking it was his Quaker daughter in law's influence ? - but Jane Hood died 1803 wife of John Hood marine could have been the quaker connection originally. (Iffy suggestion but  ??? so was George's burial place at first.)

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