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Hi Geoff

The info I have would suggest a Bernard rather than a Barnard.  Agnes's m/c says Father "Bernard"-and although its not conclusive, Bernard's appear in the next couple of generations.  Also having got the magnifying glass out i am 99% certain he's a sailor and not tailor.  This also ties in with the handwritten FT I've got which (although written in a very wobbly hand) says Agnes Tourner of Convent.Father Ship's Captain? m Henry McCourt.

The 1851 I was pondering- was really a clutching at straws.  The hope being that Turner was a mis-transcription, I suppose.  Also, my thoughts were along the lines of "the convent"bit - wondering about any connection to the priory at st bees maybe?

Hadn't picked up on the 1841 Turner from Ireland this could be a way to go, even though I've got him with"sea-faring" connections! Especially, as Henry McCourt came over from there - a possible connection.   Other than trying any records to do with shipping - but I suspect Bernard was more likely to be a plain old sailor, rather than a Captain - I'm a bit stuck:). !!

Whose your Bernard Tourner connection?  Don't suppose he had a daughter Agnes??

Hi, need help - have been ,trying to locate this family member for years!.  Can't find her birth or her father.

What I do know :  Agnes married Henry McCourt
                           5 Feb 1866, St Begas cath chapel,St Bees,  Whitehaven
                           Age on marriage 20
                           Father Bernard "Touner" sailor dec'd

This ties in with a handwritten tree given me by an elderly relative - except this says "Agnes Tourner, and says "convent - ship's captain as her father.

On the 1851 - 2 bank, lane, Whitehaven
I've found an Agnes Johnstone 30, born Glasgow , (sick nurse)
With Agnes Turner 5, b. Saw Mills,  Whitehaven.

Which could fit in as I know there was/is a convent at StBees and I understand a sick nurse was a sort of foster parent, so my thinking is that with her father being a sailor and probably absent, she was left at the convent or with foster carer!  However I can't prove anything.

Really would appreciate any thoughts...

Fingers crossed.

Hi Nigel, we're tracing the same line.  My aunt and I Had also heard the tea-taster story, we think we've found the father, but like you cannot prove it. Maud has really become our brick-wall!  We've gone back as far as Patrick Foley, John's father.  If  you want any more info on "our theories", let me know.

Beekay.

Looking for reference in any census to Stephen & Anne (nee Smith) Barnes of higham on the Hill, Leicester.

They were married 1820 Higham on the Hill
and had Children there in 1820, 23, 26, 27 and 32.

Any advice appreciate.

Thanks - bev