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Travelling People / Re: New Traveller website
« on: Wednesday 17 February 10 14:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi pookerthegib,

Yes. If you check jaytoot's post at Reply #3 above it gives the precise details.

I do not wish to create extra work for the site-owner but if you want substantial information then you can get it there. The  resource is thirty years of properly researched work covering almost every travelling family, most of which has never before seen the light of day on any of  these boards.

One word of warning. It takes a lot of time to locate and prepare the information so please be patient and ask questions in such as way that it is easy to tell who you are talking about.

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Travelling People / Re: New Traveller website
« on: Thursday 11 February 10 13:04 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, thanks jaytoot for sorting it out. The site has now been updated to reflect a clearer purpose.

Regards

Dawn

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Travelling People / New Traveller website
« on: Wednesday 20 January 10 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
There is a new website that focuses upon high quality research into gipsies called:

romresearch.wetpaint.com

It has just started up and already has a number of articles worth reading.


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Travelling People / Re: Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)
« on: Wednesday 28 October 09 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Earle,

Information recently obtained in Wales:

MER Llanaber baptised 4 June 1837 Godfrey s/o Jeremi/Elinor JONES, Strangers

CRM Llanelly St Elli baptised 13 December 1840 Elijah s/o Jeremiah/Elinor JONES, Harper of Alogate

Llanaber is the place he mentioned to me earlier (see previous replies) although he needed to check the primary source to ensure nothing that might embarrass you appeared in the baptismal record before posting. Hence the subterfuge.

Dawn

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Travelling People / Re: Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)
« on: Tuesday 13 October 09 14:45 BST (UK)  »
I cannot find that last one. What's the PNo.?



Dawn

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Travelling People / Re: Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)
« on: Tuesday 13 October 09 13:52 BST (UK)  »
Found William Wood using his alternate surname in 1861 and 1851 but will have to see the original to be certain. Slight doubt because he is too consistent from one census to the next.

Dawn

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Travelling People / Re: Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)
« on: Tuesday 13 October 09 12:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi King otg,

I have found his wife and children in 1881 but not Elijah himself so no luck there.

Can you send me Godfrey's baptism details ?

Dawn

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Travelling People / Re: Llansilin Parish Record Lookup - Wood(s)
« on: Monday 12 October 09 13:15 BST (UK)  »
Adam Wood's baptism in 1827, assuming he did not die young, roughly determines the date at which William abandoned his wife. It may be a few years out to place the date at 1841, as Matty Wood does, because he says that the brothers Adam and Jeremiah were about 10 or 11 which means 1837-8 and that is around the time of Elijah's birth.

If Jerry senior was William's brother it makes sense for him to have partnered Ellen but there is still a tiny bit of doubt as to who was the father of Elijah. It is possible that Ellen was indeed the sister of Jeremiah assuming all of her children came from William. I certainly cannot see any Adam being involved.

Sampson's problem is the same as ours. How to get it right without implying incest. Some of those old Ryes loved to imply the worst. They were obsessed with it. But I think Sampson had his head screwed on correctly.

That's all I've got.

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Travelling People / Re: Fighting Zacky lee
« on: Friday 06 March 09 10:59 GMT (UK)  »

Assuming that a Joseph Boswell is named as nephew of Zachariah Lee at his death in June Quarter 1875, Registered Eton, the 1881 census does show a Joseph Boswell living at St Luke with his wife, Sarah, and four children. Three of the children, including the eldest, Rosina aged 12, have births registered at Holborn and therefore Joseph and Sarah were more or less settled there as early as September Quarter 1869.

However, Joseph Boswell, son of Levi and Mary Ann, was still living with or near his family in 1871. He may have been entered twice [0041/72/32 and 0091/22/38]. There is no child called Rosina with him as there should be if he was the same as the one at St Luke in 1881 so that particular Joseph is not connected.

But this does not mean that Levi and Mary Ann's son, Joseph, was not the witness at Zachariah Lee's death. In fact there is supporting evidence for this and much more.

Both Zachariah and Mary Ann Lee gave a place in Bucks as their birthplace and when Mary Ann married in 1869 her father, Charles - tinker, had the same profession as Zachariah in 1861 (tinman & brazier). The given birthplace for Mary Ann is either Cowley (MDX) or Drayton (BKM). Her given ages are 42/61MDX, 48/71LON, 59/81MDX and 73/91LON which means she was born about 1811-1823.

Supplied by TL is this reference which fits the facts. Mary Ann's first child was born in 1839 and she could easily have been aged 6 or over in 1829 since the parents named in the baptism are the same ones whose two [other?]  daughters were baptised as adults.

MDX Cowley St Lawrence bp17/5/1829 Martha d/o Charles/Anne LEE Gipsy of Cowley

BUT the folklore gives such a Martha Lee as wife of John or Jonathan SMITH [1881HAM-1256/66/22] whose age in 1881 (45) makes her less likely than Mary Ann to be the person named in the above baptism. The ages of Martha Smith's children in 1881 do not support an older Martha although there is some further contradictory evidence.

The promising news (from TL) is that several of the features of Zachariah Lee's family are consistent with those found in the family of Charles and Ann Lee such as the marriage of their daughter, Diana, to John Gregory (father of the Thomas who married Britannia Draper in December Quarter 1859, Registered Watford). Diana married John 2 November 1846 at Eversley Hants where the family were based. The occupation of the father of Diana, Charles Lee, was given as knife grinder which is consistent.

This family of Charles and Ann Lee are well known although no evidence seen, so far, that there was a Zachariah among them.

As is always the case, this particular line of research has reached the point where armchair genealogists need not apply. The next step is the 'multiple theory' stage where only those with an encyclopedic knowledge of the subject feel comfortable. You have to accept being presented with several possible solutions and be prepared to repeat your work looking for more clues to accommodate all the apparent contradictions.

Moderator Comment:  References to a living person removed at that person's request.

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