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My husband's 3 x great grandmothers lived here in 1851 until 1871
Robert Jack Head Married Male 47 1804 Carting Labourer Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Grace Jack Wife Married Female 42 1809 Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Jack Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Coal Miner Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Robert Jack Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
George Jack Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
James Jack Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Christina Jack Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 Scholar Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
David Jack Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Margaret Jack Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1847 Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Grace Jack Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 Muirkirk, Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Smilie Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1851 Muirkirk, Ayrshire

Does this help?
Immigration records show:
Amelia 40 yrs wife
James 10 yrs
Mary 8 yrs
Alice 7 yrs
Walter 6 yrs
Herbert 4 yrs

Amelia is born abt 1840 in this record
Her death record shows birth abt 1837
1861 census shows abt 1839

If the couple separated, she might refer to herself as a widow - or her family did.

There is a separate entry on the same ship for Amelia 21 yrs with 5yr old Alfred.

This  Amelia marries in 1887


There are records for the others.

I can’t see an immigration record for Edward. 

Thanks. I have now found all the births. In 1911 father said he had had 9 children. He could not count!
ASHCROFT, AMELIA  SIBILLA 
GRO Ref: 1857  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C 

ASHCROFT, EDWARD  JOHN 
GRO Ref: 1859  J Q in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST 

ASHCROFT, WILLIAM  JAMES 
GRO Ref: 1861  M Quarter in GREENWICH

ASHCROFT, ESTHER  ALICE
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in STEPNEY 

ASHCROFT, ALFRED  CHARLES  GRO Ref: 1867  J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN

Henry Ashcroft born 2 9 1869 in St Botolph, London twin to James

ASHCROFT, ALICE  ELIZABETH 
GRO Ref: 1871  D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B

ASHCROFT, WALTER  ERNEST GRO Ref: 1873  D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT     

ASHCROFT, HERBERT GRO Ref: 1876  M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT 

ASHCROFT, WALTER  ERNEST  GRO Ref 1873  D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT 

ASHCROFT, LEONARD
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B

This roughly ties up with the shipping manifest for Amelia. Who was Mary though?
What I thought was a 2nd marr for Edward was for his son,  Edward John, in 1881
I also found Amelia the wife in the workhouse in 1859 with Edward and Amelia, her children. No sign of hubby, yet they were together by 1861.  Maybe he went in search of work, as proved by the census and by the birthplaces of their children.
The 1929 death in NY is definitely the daug Amelia as this time her parents are correct, unlike the death record for her mother Amelia.
In 1925 Amelia was living in the same building as her brother Walter, so I think we can safely say that she and all her children emigrated permanently.

So timeline for Edward: born in Shadwell abt 1837
1841 with Elizabeth Philips...possibly an aunt
1851 in Tower Hamlets with his parents, father a cooper
1856 married to Amelia Gray in Bethnal Green. He was a Cooper
1859 wife discharged from workhouse with eldest two children. Edward had a possible acquittal for larceny.
1885 Edward, belonging to Bethnal Green, was discharged from Islington workhouse, having been admitted Dec 1884, if it is him as he had a different occup. However the Bethnal Green mention makes it seem likely that it is him. In 1884 he was in and out of the Workhouse.

Now found the Edward a block cutter who was in the workhouse, in 1881. He said he was born in Scotland, so not my one as I have now found this one in Scotland with his parents.

In 1901 Herodius Howard had two other lodgers living with her in Brook Street

No trace of him from 1871 until 1908 when he was the informant of the Howard death and was living with the mother of Charles Howard in Brook Street.

1911 he was an out of work cooper still living in Brook Street. Mrs Howard had by now moved to New Scarboro, Yeadon, Wharfedale to live with one of her sons. 
Until we view the 1921 census we won't know Edward's address, or I could buy his death cert.  As he is not my family I won't be bothering.

1930 died aged 96 in Burton as Edward P. Ashcroft which matches other docs., buried 22 Oct 1930 in Burton.

Now found school records for Charles. He attended 14 Oct 1889 - 6 Nov 1889 and was born 27 May 1883. He also attended a primary school shortly before this, so not well educated!

Thank you so much for all your help

In order to have a look at the Edward situation can you please do a summary of him to include all you know to save scrolling to find everything?

Annie

I did not save anything re Edward as I thought he would be easy. Obviously not! I shall do it tomorrow now as we are about to go to bed.
Thanks a lot for sticking with me on this trip.

"the informant of his death was an unknown person who was living at the family home"...

But it reads as though Charles lived at Richmond Street & Edward lived at 8 Brook Street?

Do you know which family member was living at Richmond Street in 1911?

Annie

Is it possible EPA was related in some way as he was 'present at death'?

I've seen DCs with 'Procurator Fiscal' as the informant but it's self explanatory without an address.

Is it possible he hadn't seen Charles since his 'Footman' days at Armathwaite Hall where he possibly then became a 'Valet' there prior to becoming a 'Licenced Victualler' which Edward was unaware of?

It's a hard one to work out to be honest with the odd combination.

Annie

Related? EPA was born in Stepney, London, my man in Derbyshire, and his ancestors from St Albans, so very unlikely. I wonder if Mrs Herodius maybe asked EPA to pop along for her to register the death. Just seen that in 1901 she was living in Brook Street with another lodger. As her husband had died in 1894 she must have needed another income, although she was 45 and may have worked elsewhere. Being a landlady is far easier. Two of her sons married after 1901, leaving just Charles to help, so no wonder she moved north, to Yorkshire, by 1911 to live with one of her sons.
 If I could find the missing wives that might help. I did wonder if the first one went to New York, with their children. This is turning into rather a long saga, isn't it?

Family members were at Brook Street, but no idea who was at the other address. Not brother Alfred as his children were born in Hartshorne and the other brother was also married then. The problem with this family is that they seemed to move house far too frequently.

Thinking out loud again. I thought that Ashcroft made the barrels, being a Cooper, not delivered them, especially as it was his father's trade. I came across several Coopers in the Shadwell area when I was tracing another line. I do not think he ran an hotel though as he was only a Licensed Victualler. This was not a wealthy family.
Thanks for helping.