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Messages - Stephen Collicoat

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Tuesday 12 September 17 10:37 BST (UK)  »
There is a well researched paper by Patricia Summerling entitled. 'The darker side of Motherhood. Abortion and Infanticide in South Australia 1870 - 1910' that suggests women in that time were often victims of a very nasty system. Numerous articles at the time pointed out the often lax morals of many of the men at that time. It certainly doesn't support any rose coloured view of Adelaide in the past.

I will be carefully following through in my family history on the comments, criticisms and helpful suggestions that I have received, but this takes time to digest, rather than swiftly posting back responses.

My purpose has always been to simply determine if there is any firm evidence about the life of Ada Sullivan in the 16 or 17 years prior to her marriage. To have had the tremendous support of so many skilled researchers is wonderful and the fact that no one can find any evidence suggests it probably never can be found and unless something dramatically different surfaces, I think I should let this intriguing subject quietly recede into the background.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 23:46 BST (UK)  »
It's great to now know the location of Mary's home so I can see it when we travel to Adelaide, I did check the Catholic baptisms without success.

One of the things I have found most interesting is the insight one gains into society at that time from the poverty and lawlessness in Tipperary that encouraged the Coonans to come to Australia, the moral hazard that many young women faced in the colony, the revivalist movement and so on. It's an education.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 23:22 BST (UK)  »
Greatly appreciate the heads up on Mary Sullivan's home in Adelaide and the Lutheran Minister. I8'll adjust my records accordingly.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 10:30 BST (UK)  »
To answer the question about Ada's birth certificate, this is none which isn't all that rare in those times.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 10:27 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the information on Haylock which is news to me. His children probably wouldn't have known about Ada. The mother might easily have stayed in Adelaide to give birth before returning to Carisbrook in Victoria. Certainly the sisters kept in close touch. Whether he was Ada's father or Ada was the result of his wife having an affair (or being raped) will probably never be known, assuming my theory is correct.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 10:17 BST (UK)  »
Joseph Job Downes married Ada Sullivan at the Lutheran Parsonagein Adelaide on December 5, 1891. She was 16 and Joseph 28. Both resided in Kent Town. Witnesses were E.M.Galle, a teacher from Flinders Street and H.Dorsch, who was probably the officiating Minister, Casper Dorsch's wife. She later went on to have a distinguished academic career, while her husband, a man of sternly religious views suffered a nervous breakdown.

I don't place much faith in the note on the death certificate that Ada was born in Adelaide. She seemed to deliberately keep her background secret. One touching note was that Ma died quietly from a heart attack listening to a 'Music for the People' concert in the Melbourne Botanic Garden.

Such hard times! Michael Sullivan died at age 54 and left a wife and seven children. The redoubtable Mary died at age 61 in 1893 which meant she could have attended Ada's marriage if she had wished to do so. I can't however imagine good relations between a very devout Catholic woman and Joseph Downes who was a fervent member of the Salvation Army until he fell out with them. Mary was largely instrumental in the achievement of equal pay for policewomen. Her sister, Mary was a bold advocate  for womens' suffrage.

All very interesting, but it doesn't help in the search for the elusive Ada's beginnings!

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 05:28 BST (UK)  »
I should perhaps add that when Ada married she is recorded in her Marriage Certificate as living in Little Rundle Street which is just around the corner from Mary's home in Grote Street, Kent Town.

These various 'facts' of course aren't anything like evidence but it seems to point to the Carisbrook/Adelaide connection. I tried to find some records from the local Catholic church to find a confirmation record or a Catholic school attendance. Still a mystery, but an interesting one!

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 04:58 BST (UK)  »
Exactly what my theory is. I believe Ada is the natural daughter of Mary Coonan/Gosling/Haylock.
This is partly based  on my late mother's vague recollection that her mother was raised by an aunt. The Mary Sullivan in Adelaide was married to Michael Sullivan, the gent mentioned as father on Ada's marriage certificate. only problem is that he died long before Ada was born. Another clue is that Ada was brought up ion a strict Catholic background which turned her into a fierce Protestant. The wording on Mary Sullivan's gravestone is very Catholic. The fact is there are no records of Mchael Sulllivan or Ada's birth. Haylock may have been the father, but he seems to have suffered a nervous breakdown and around Ada's birth, he gave up his post as Carisbrook, Victoria's mayor and deserted his wife. At the same time, it was common for sisters to swap children among their family. Poor Ada! She seemed to be the parcel no one really wanted.

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Australia / Re: Seeking Ada Sullivan
« on: Monday 11 September 17 00:35 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to all who helped me in this search.

It seems clear that Ada left no record of her first 17 years on earth, living in Kent Town, South Australia. The hope that there may have been a household census of the Sullivan family living in Grote  Street hasn't worked out. This would have given me hard evidence to support my theory as to why on her Marriage Certificate Ada lists as her father a man who died years before she was born.  Unfortunately, that theory takes several pages to explain.

As an aside, Michael died in 1866 not 1886 as shown on his gravestone. Thanks.




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