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The Lighter Side / Re: WDYTYA - tiny gripe
« on: Tuesday 21 August 18 15:47 BST (UK)  »
A few months ago I was contacted by a WDYTYA researcher, who had found me via RootsChat.  She wouldn't say who she was researching, but I gave her the records I had and she kindly informed me later that they appeared to be correct!  I'm now waiting to see if I am connected to some "celebrity" in the next series.  Trouble is, I shall have to record the whole series, as I don't know who to look out for.

Could it have been last night's episode, since there was mention of a Feary from Huntingdonshire?

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The gap between Rebekah and of Yarmouth is very small, so it has to be a short name.  I had a look on FreeREG for baptisms in and around Great Yarmouth and I think the only possibles (and I am not convinced! would be:DYE, BELL, GRAY.

jonw65's COE looks far more convincing - and I would not be surprised to see families moving between fishing ports.

Philip

I don't think there is an "of" before "Yar" as many of the brides listed on the page don't seem to have one.  But what I am hoping is that some kind soul can look at the original at the record office and see if it is clearer on there. 

Thanks to everyone who has made suggestions.

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22 Jan 1722/3 Farrow Salter of Lowestoft SM (=single man) & Rebekah ????? Yar (= of Yarmouth) SW (=single woman).  The images on ancestry and FamilySearch are not clear enough to make out Rebekah's surname.  And the PR entry, although very clear, omits her name altogether.  So I am wondering whether anyone is visiting Norfolk Record Office and would be able to have a look at the original copy of the BT's to see what Rebekah's surname was, please?

This is a link to the BT image on FamilySearch so you can see whereabouts it is - top half of column 2.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-RFHP-H?i=244&wc=MXDB-SW5%3A982211901%2C982211902%2C982275401%2C982275601&cc=1823613

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register - closing an open identity
« on: Monday 20 February 17 17:18 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Guy, I realise that some living people's records are open because of transcription errors on the 1939 Register, some of which are caused by the particular process they used to transcribe it, and of course we have to accept that can happen, but none of the examples I have seen of living people's records which were opened in the November 2016 update were due to that type of problem.

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register - closing an open identity
« on: Monday 20 February 17 13:16 GMT (UK)  »

Kate, the response from TNA on 22 December said:

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The methodology was determined by The National Archives in advance of any of this work taking place, and we are satisfied that Findmypast and the third party have followed the methodology to the letter.
(my emphasis added)

Are you saying you think FindMyPast didn't follow the agreed methodology and TNA are now turning a 'blind eye' to it?

Either that, or that the agreed methodology was faulty, or that the files which they used for matching against have a much higher error rate than they thought.

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register - closing an open identity
« on: Monday 20 February 17 11:45 GMT (UK)  »
No, I have not gone through the Data Protection Act etc. I asked FindMyPast whether the records of living people in the 1939 Register were covered by their Data Protection Act registration, or exempt (as I assumed there was no point contacting the ICO about it if they were exempt), and if exempt, why, and their reply was just that living people's records are closed if they are under 100 years old, which didn't help. So I contacted the ICO and they said to open a case.  It's up to them now.

If the 1939 Register records of living people are not covered by the Data Protection Act then I wonder why the "Takedown form" for the 1939 Register on Findmypast says "You can use this form to request a takedown of a record if the information you have found is open and you believe it should be closed under the Data Protection Act 1998."  But I don't really think there would be any point asking Findmypast.

To my mind, the question is not whether living people's records should be opened or not, but whether FindMyPast's process for opening records actually stuck to the rules which they had agreed with TNA, and if it did, there must be something seriously wrong with the post-2007 GRO death index as it must include records exactly matching people who are still alive who are considered "unique" according to the matching rules (e.g. there must have been a death registration for a Michael R Heseltine with the exact same date of birth as Lord Heseltine., a death registration for a Dennis E Skinner with the exact same date of birth as the MP, and so on.)  I am hoping that we will eventually know what the explanation is!

 

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register - closing an open identity
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 23:03 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, I have already read the whole of this thread.

1) I cannot stress enough that I don't care whether Michael Heseltine's  (by the way, he is a Lord nowadays, not a Mr!) privacy has been invaded, but the only easy way to get a big enough sample of verified living people to check was to choose famous people.  Dates of birth for ordinary people are not so easy to get, though I realise that you can get someone's birth certificate - but you have to pay for that.

2) The first thing I did when I realised that records had been wrongly opened was to contact FindMyPast and advise them that they should immediately roll back the update until they had figured out what went wrong. After some discussion with them and getting nowhere, I contacted TNA and it was only when I finally realised that neither organisation was ever going to admit that there was a problem that I contacted the ICO (which, by the way, TNA advised me to do.)  I would have hoped that the 1939 Register would set the standard for future databases which contain closed records of living people which can be automatically opened after their deaths, but since there is such an obvious error in processing of the 1939 Register, it needs to be sorted out now before it can be used as a basis for any future projects.

It is not true that a record has to be unlocked before you get any meaningful information, as data such as date of birth can indeed be obtained without even logging into FindMyPast.  I would not like to go into details of how I think people might use a database made up of data copied from the 1939 Register.

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register - closing an open identity
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
I am very interested to see this thread, as I reported this problem to both Findmypast and The National Archives not long after their update of the 1939 Register in November 2016, when they opened 2 million more records.

  As I understand it, when the Register was originally launched online, records for people born less than 100 years ago were closed unless they were marked deceased on the Register itself.

 Some time after that, FindMyPast ran software which checked the closed records against the pre-1984 GRO death indexes, and the 1984-2007 GRO death indexes, which they have copies of on their site, using certain rules agreed with TNA to determine whether a match was unique or not, and if it was, the record could be opened. (They also open records regularly where birth dates become more than 100 years old.)

 Then they used an outside agency to carry out a similar matching process against the post-2007 GRO death indexes, which FindMyPast do not have a copy of but which is supplied to certain companies.  The 2 million records opened in November 2016 were the result of this last matching process, and as far as I know, FindMyPast staff have no way to check whether there is actually a death index record for people whose records were opened then, because they do not have access to the post-2007 death indexes - unless they visit one of the main libraries which hold them on microfiche.

  I don't think there was a significant problem with the earlier updates based on matching against the pre-2007 indexes, only the post-2007 one. Both FindMyPast and TNA have denied that there was any problem with this update - see the most recent comments on TNA's 1939 Register blog for the discussion which I and a few other people had with them, until they closed it to further posts:
http://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/blog/1939-register-census-census/#comments

Most of the points I would make are in my comments on there, so I won't repeat it all on here as it would take ages and make this post much too long!  But just to add that I have made a complaint to the Information Commissioners' Office and am waiting to hear the outcome. 

Oh, can I also add that if you contact FindMyPast support to have a living person's record closed, they may not know how to do it properly and they may either redact it on the image or the index but leave one or other of those open, so it is best to go via clicking the button to have the record closed, but if you can't supply the ID proof which it still asks for, upload any image just so it will go through (e.g. a screenshot of the 1939 Register record or whatever) and explain in the text box how you know the person is alive.  They have said that they don't require the ID proof any more, but for some reason they have not removed it from the webpage, so it doesn't go through unless you upload some kind of image.
 

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Denbighshire / Re: Buttall family from Wrexham
« on: Monday 12 December 16 19:55 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, he was knighted by King George I, 24 Feb 1726/7. 

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